Rumor on the AR15 supplies

Logs · November 21, 2008, 06:25 PM

Heard a rumor today from a dealer that Bushmaster and Rock River were willing to give dealers / distributors 120% above what they paid to return lowers, kits, and other parts so they can make complete rifles. Is it getting that bad with the AR Market?????

Chipperman · November 21, 2008, 06:50 PM

I don't believe that for a second.

SR420 · November 21, 2008, 07:10 PM

I don't know about the offer to buy back parts, but the current AR market is insane!

$1200.00 LE 6920s are selling for over $2K

I should have purchased a dozen months ago.

I bet my Noveske / POF middy would bring over $3K when finished...

AzNFree · November 21, 2008, 07:18 PM

I went in to my local indoor range/tactical supply here in AZ when they opened at 9am last saturday. the walls were full when i went in and they were down to 3 AR's when i finished an hour later! insane.....

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Bartholomew Roberts · November 21, 2008, 07:27 PM

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$1200.00 LE 6920s are selling for over $2K

They are selling for that price or people are asking that price?

rogertc1 · November 21, 2008, 07:34 PM

They are selling at that price because the supply is drying up.
I bet when more AW come out the prices will be up a lot more than they were brfore NOV 4

SR420 · November 21, 2008, 07:37 PM

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They are selling for that price or people are asking that price?

Selling out at that price...

Wildalaska · November 21, 2008, 07:38 PM

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$1200.00 LE 6920s are selling for over $2K

Cool make a profit then, I sell ya as many as you want for $1600 each

WildyeppersAlaska ™

Topthis · November 21, 2008, 09:48 PM

Its an overreaction in my opinion. Still, I have found a few stores that have decided not to gouge their customers and have not increased their AR's or any of their "Assault" rifles too much...I'd say one store only increased their guns by 10%, while Gander Mountain raised their price of the Springer M1a SoCom II to just over $2k which just makes me appreciate my local gunstores that didn't gouge soooo much more that I went and bought one from them. It is supply and demand though and we do live in a Capitalistic Society (not complaining).

Wildalaska · November 21, 2008, 10:08 PM

Supply and demand=I have many, I discount

Supply and demand=I have one, I sell at MSRP

Hoarding/Gouging=I have one, you have non, I double the price.

I want to KEEP folks coming back after this CRAP is finished. Ergo, I refuse to gouge

WildbepatientAlaska ™

SR420 · November 21, 2008, 11:21 PM

There is nothing wrong with profiteering.

If someone is willing to pay a higher price for a hard
to find item that is in high demand - there is no foul.

armoredman · November 22, 2008, 12:18 AM

There are two shops in town with EBRs, one with a DPSM AR and the other with multiple AKs. The AK prices doubled. The AR is still $1200, if I saw the tag right, I wasn't looking closely.

jpwilly · November 22, 2008, 01:05 AM

I picked up a DPMS 308 here in AZ for regular price. Shop owner didn't try to price gouge me on it. BUT the PMC 5.56 55gr fmj ammo they have in stock (half a pallet) went from $379 to $500 per 1000K overnight...ouch!

kiloxj · November 22, 2008, 01:13 AM

Supply and demand=I have many, I discount

Supply and demand=I have one, I sell at MSRP

Hoarding/Gouging=I have one, you have non, I double the price.

I want to KEEP folks coming back after this CRAP is finished. Ergo, I refuse to gouge

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More and more however I find myself with better things to do than trying to teach opera to pigs, or change minds that are already closed.

Great analogy. RRA's are going up bc of quality. Colt's are expensive b/c they are a commodity and for the fact they are colts. There is not a shortage of production but when you get picky in anything you might have to wait a little longer. Also people try to charge more when they dress up a M4 with UTG crap and sell as if it is LMT or YHM quaility and people go for it. Its a relatively new market since everyone thinks they have to "Pimp their AR". Colt, Bushamaster(until remington take over manugacturing in Jan) and RRA use quality parts like Wilson Combat and undergo testing longer than the factory casing they send us now. AR supply and demand now is like ammo was when the manufacturers couldnt keep up with the demand so 1000 rds of wolf was 350 a case. NOw back down to $2-220. So if you took an economics class and know quality from qaunity then if you can make a profit do so, just dont let people try to run the gun businesss like a car dealership. What happend to the good ole days, oh yea i guess too many thaught it was time for a change. On that note another reason for the ar market panic can be viewed at howobamagotelected.com. That sight brought tears to my eyes, its truly pittiful. like my spelling

SR420 · November 22, 2008, 06:50 AM

It's not like anyone is being forced at gun point to pay higher prices.

The consumer can always walk away and make the purchase another day.

spodwo · November 22, 2008, 07:32 AM

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The consumer can always walk away and make the purchase another day.

Yah - but you have soooo many saying "oh the sky is falling" and IF you don't buy now - you are out of luck".

Or even this thread...

"Heard a rumour..."

Exactly. It's stuff like this that winds up being told or read by people and then it is everywhere that the rumour is in point - a fact.

Verify.

The internet is a huge wasteland of "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

Skans · November 22, 2008, 12:34 PM

The more AR's, AK's, FAL's, Aug-Clones, HK-clones, and other millitary styled rifles people buy, the harder it become later on to tell a nation of gun owners to turn them all in.

I hope people keep on buying guns - vote with your wallet. Gun and ammo manufacturers are enjoying a good economy right now, and I'm glad for them.

rogertc1 · November 22, 2008, 12:36 PM

Having lived thru the 1994 AW ban and not haveing the funds to buy back then. Now I do. I have been buying up for the last 2 years since O was a threat. No regrets and I have lots of guns and ammo.
The sky has already fallen spodwo. Low prices are already history.
Fact
Wait until O is in and starts to take action.

garryc · November 22, 2008, 12:40 PM

Southern Ohio Gun is still showing Bushy ar-15's for around $800 dealer price on thier web sight

http://www.southernohiogun.com/ar15.htm

rogertc1 · November 22, 2008, 12:41 PM

All it says on SOG link is

Click Here for Price

Is that what they told you? I used to buy from them when I had my FFL way back when.

garryc · November 22, 2008, 12:43 PM

No, but in the past they have showed things as out of stock or on back order. I have a C+R so I can see there dealer prices. The colts are way over priced

RockyMtnTactical · November 22, 2008, 04:11 PM

I can't say about this specific rumor, but there are a LOT of rumors going around right now and most of them are incorrect...

Erik · November 22, 2008, 06:30 PM

Has there been a recent run on AR rifles? Yes.

Does that mean there won't be more opportunities to purchase them in the future? No.

jager · November 22, 2008, 06:56 PM

Sooner or later everyone will have what they percieve they want or need. They will discover that they purchased these ARs at hyperinflated prices . The shops will have ramped up production to meet the demand, will find their inventorys glutted and they will have to dump them on the market when tax time comes around. All those folks that have spent their retirement on this stuff..... There will than be those that will be those out there , with the cash to low ball them , you know what happens than.... After all , most of the gas prices today are below $2.00 a gal..... stocks have lost 50% ... yada .
Those with the cash be patient..

itman · November 22, 2008, 07:26 PM

I keep hearing there’s a run on the gun stores and .223 ammo can't be found.
I was in Gander Mt. to day and they had the same ARs they always do and all the .223 you wanted.

I keep thinking that it's all hype. Maybe i should sell my AR for $2,000... Anyone?

Didn't think so.

November 21, 2008, 06:25 PM	#1
Logs Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 1999 Location: BLUEGRASS STATE KY USA Posts: 1,782	Rumor on the AR15 supplies Heard a rumor today from a dealer that Bushmaster and Rock River were willing to give dealers / distributors 120% above what they paid to return lowers, kits, and other parts so they can make complete rifles. Is it getting that bad with the AR Market?????

November 22, 2008, 01:13 AM	#14
kiloxj Member Join Date: August 30, 2008 Posts: 27	Nice Supply and demand=I have many, I discount Supply and demand=I have one, I sell at MSRP Hoarding/Gouging=I have one, you have non, I double the price. I want to KEEP folks coming back after this CRAP is finished. Ergo, I refuse to gouge WildbepatientAlaska ™ __________________ You need something? Email me or call 800/992-4570 and ask for Ken Reason only visits those who welcome it. “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers” http://www.hyperarts.com/pynchon/gravity/index.html More and more however I find myself with better things to do than trying to teach opera to pigs, or change minds that are already closed. Great analogy. RRA's are going up bc of quality. Colt's are expensive b/c they are a commodity and for the fact they are colts. There is not a shortage of production but when you get picky in anything you might have to wait a little longer. Also people try to charge more when they dress up a M4 with UTG crap and sell as if it is LMT or YHM quaility and people go for it. Its a relatively new market since everyone thinks they have to "Pimp their AR". Colt, Bushamaster(until remington take over manugacturing in Jan) and RRA use quality parts like Wilson Combat and undergo testing longer than the factory casing they send us now. AR supply and demand now is like ammo was when the manufacturers couldnt keep up with the demand so 1000 rds of wolf was 350 a case. NOw back down to $2-220. So if you took an economics class and know quality from qaunity then if you can make a profit do so, just dont let people try to run the gun businesss like a car dealership. What happend to the good ole days, oh yea i guess too many thaught it was time for a change. On that note another reason for the ar market panic can be viewed at howobamagotelected.com. That sight brought tears to my eyes, its truly pittiful. like my spelling

November 22, 2008, 12:43 PM	#21
garryc Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 2,536	No, but in the past they have showed things as out of stock or on back order. I have a C+R so I can see there dealer prices. The colts are way over priced Last edited by garryc; November 22, 2008 at 01:47 PM.

November 21, 2008, 06:50 PM	#2
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,550	I don't believe that for a second.

November 21, 2008, 07:10 PM	#3
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,343	I don't know about the offer to buy back parts, but the current AR market is insane! $1200.00 LE 6920s are selling for over $2K I should have purchased a dozen months ago. I bet my Noveske / POF middy would bring over $3K when finished...

November 21, 2008, 07:18 PM	#4
AzNFree Junior Member Join Date: September 24, 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 12	I went in to my local indoor range/tactical supply here in AZ when they opened at 9am last saturday. the walls were full when i went in and they were down to 3 AR's when i finished an hour later! insane..... Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University.

November 21, 2008, 07:34 PM	#6
rogertc1 Junior member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Location: Maquoketa Posts: 1,335	They are selling at that price because the supply is drying up. I bet when more AW come out the prices will be up a lot more than they were brfore NOV 4

November 21, 2008, 09:48 PM	#9
Topthis Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Posts: 863	Its an overreaction in my opinion. Still, I have found a few stores that have decided not to gouge their customers and have not increased their AR's or any of their "Assault" rifles too much...I'd say one store only increased their guns by 10%, while Gander Mountain raised their price of the Springer M1a SoCom II to just over $2k which just makes me appreciate my local gunstores that didn't gouge soooo much more that I went and bought one from them. It is supply and demand though and we do live in a Capitalistic Society (not complaining).

November 21, 2008, 10:08 PM	#10
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,171	Supply and demand=I have many, I discount Supply and demand=I have one, I sell at MSRP Hoarding/Gouging=I have one, you have non, I double the price. I want to KEEP folks coming back after this CRAP is finished. Ergo, I refuse to gouge WildbepatientAlaska ™

November 21, 2008, 11:21 PM	#11
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,343	There is nothing wrong with profiteering. If someone is willing to pay a higher price for a hard to find item that is in high demand - there is no foul.

November 22, 2008, 12:18 AM	#12
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,483	There are two shops in town with EBRs, one with a DPSM AR and the other with multiple AKs. The AK prices doubled. The AR is still $1200, if I saw the tag right, I wasn't looking closely.

November 22, 2008, 01:05 AM	#13
jpwilly Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 539	I picked up a DPMS 308 here in AZ for regular price. Shop owner didn't try to price gouge me on it. BUT the PMC 5.56 55gr fmj ammo they have in stock (half a pallet) went from $379 to $500 per 1000K overnight...ouch!

November 22, 2008, 06:50 AM	#15
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,343	It's not like anyone is being forced at gun point to pay higher prices. The consumer can always walk away and make the purchase another day.

November 22, 2008, 12:34 PM	#17
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,332	The more AR's, AK's, FAL's, Aug-Clones, HK-clones, and other millitary styled rifles people buy, the harder it become later on to tell a nation of gun owners to turn them all in. I hope people keep on buying guns - vote with your wallet. Gun and ammo manufacturers are enjoying a good economy right now, and I'm glad for them.

November 22, 2008, 12:36 PM	#18
rogertc1 Junior member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Location: Maquoketa Posts: 1,335	Having lived thru the 1994 AW ban and not haveing the funds to buy back then. Now I do. I have been buying up for the last 2 years since O was a threat. No regrets and I have lots of guns and ammo. The sky has already fallen spodwo. Low prices are already history. Fact Wait until O is in and starts to take action.

November 22, 2008, 12:40 PM	#19
garryc Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 2,536	Southern Ohio Gun is still showing Bushy ar-15's for around $800 dealer price on thier web sight http://www.southernohiogun.com/ar15.htm

November 22, 2008, 12:41 PM	#20
rogertc1 Junior member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Location: Maquoketa Posts: 1,335	All it says on SOG link is Click Here for Price Is that what they told you? I used to buy from them when I had my FFL way back when.

November 22, 2008, 04:11 PM	#22
RockyMtnTactical Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2006 Location: Western US Posts: 1,961	I can't say about this specific rumor, but there are a LOT of rumors going around right now and most of them are incorrect...

November 22, 2008, 06:30 PM	#23
Erik Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 1999 Location: America Posts: 3,479	Has there been a recent run on AR rifles? Yes. Does that mean there won't be more opportunities to purchase them in the future? No.

November 22, 2008, 06:56 PM	#24
jager Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: CT Posts: 30	Sooner or later everyone will have what they percieve they want or need. They will discover that they purchased these ARs at hyperinflated prices . The shops will have ramped up production to meet the demand, will find their inventorys glutted and they will have to dump them on the market when tax time comes around. All those folks that have spent their retirement on this stuff..... There will than be those that will be those out there , with the cash to low ball them , you know what happens than.... After all , most of the gas prices today are below $2.00 a gal..... stocks have lost 50% ... yada . Those with the cash be patient..

November 22, 2008, 07:26 PM	#25
itman Senior Member Join Date: April 30, 2005 Posts: 199	I keep hearing there’s a run on the gun stores and .223 ammo can't be found. I was in Gander Mt. to day and they had the same ARs they always do and all the .223 you wanted. I keep thinking that it's all hype. Maybe i should sell my AR for $2,000... Anyone? Didn't think so.