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Old May 26, 2005, 02:17 PM   #1
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How to DESTROY AMERICA - by Dick Lamm

Many know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.


Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard t! o do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

First to destroy America, "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on:

Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school"

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century ! - that s topped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,

"Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause . A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.'

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and oth! er state s - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast.
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Old May 26, 2005, 02:58 PM   #2
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from my point of view, it is apparent that the political powers-that-be subscribe to the method that Mr. Lamm is describing as a means to 'destroy America'.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...roosevelt.html

so my question is:

Who wants to destroy America and why?
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Old May 26, 2005, 03:17 PM   #3
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Apathy will destroy America.
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Old May 26, 2005, 05:30 PM   #4
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ive been saying for a few years now that a race war/civil war is coming to this country, maybe not in my lifetime, but its going to happen. mexicans will be the downfall of America. what happens when they get over here and run America into the ground, it will be just like mexico, then they all will start running back south towards the border.
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Old May 26, 2005, 05:39 PM   #5
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Relax, 9mmsnoopy. Mexicans will no more be the downfall of America any more than the Irish, German, Chinese, or Japanese immigrants over the last two centuries, even though there were always people arguing that each new wave of immigrants was "the downfall of America."

Even Benny Franklin said about the German immigrants that were the Mexicans of their day:

"Why should the Palatine Boors [Germans] be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion."

The same arguments are made every generation, and it's only the nationality that changes. They were used against the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Chinese, the Japanese, and so on. America has survived, and grown stronger.
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Old May 26, 2005, 05:47 PM   #6
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First to destroy America, "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
I guess that's why the Romans were such failures? All those competing cultures and languages only allowed them to persist for 1000 odd years. If only they had all stayed inside the walls of Rome and never spoken to anyone else, then we'd remember them as the greatest people in the history of the West!

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Old May 26, 2005, 06:08 PM   #7
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The Canadians (two official languages), the Belgians (three official languages), and the Swiss (four official languages) are such hotbeds of strife and instability...

That article? Pseudo-intellectual, xenophobic claptrap.
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Old May 26, 2005, 06:16 PM   #8
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Well, the Canadians do have their problems, as does Spain and a number of other countries with very large populations that see themselves as distinct.

However, I'd like to see a population that immigrated into a country and became that disruptive. The Basques don't like being overrun, but that isn't the case in the US where the Mexicans are happy to be here.

What I want to know is what we're going to do about the Moravian scourge on the Eastern seaboard. Dirty Protestant heretics!



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Old May 26, 2005, 07:59 PM   #9
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The story sounds bogus to me. It reads like urban legend chain mails. However, Dick Lamm has a history of being a total nut. So I dunno.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/7-28-96.html
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Old May 26, 2005, 08:09 PM   #10
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I'd like to see a population that immigrated into a country and became that disruptive
keep in mind that much of the southwest was essentially 'conquered' from Mexico with the signing of the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo. http://www.historyguy.com/Mexican-American_War.html

immigration, from a certain point of view, is a misnomer. 'reconquista' may be a more accurate perspective.
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Old May 27, 2005, 02:06 AM   #11
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I guess that's why the Romans were such failures? All those competing cultures and languages only allowed them to persist for 1000 odd years.
It was not exactly like that. It was the Roman Empire, not the Roman Democracy. A large number of conquered territories under the iron thumb of a central, unified power. The peoples Rome conquered were not accepted as Romans, they were in submission to the Romans.
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Old May 27, 2005, 02:26 AM   #12
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Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.
Here is another thing he got wrong when he used examples. Cyprus was invaded by an outside country and that is why it is divided. The false claim for invasion was because of another outside country trying to take control. The Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots got along well enough before the outside influences occured and they not only had two different languages, but different religions too.
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Old May 27, 2005, 04:28 AM   #13
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George W Bush, Vincente Fox, and their globalist cronies know exactly what they are doing.

The only question is whether or not they'll get away with it.
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Old May 27, 2005, 08:32 AM   #14
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Yep, they seem to be. We export jobs to the third world and we import people with less then a 8th grade education. Our middleclass is slipping away, perhaps a rich and working poor society only would be good for America.

Hmmm, that sounds like Mexico.
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Old May 27, 2005, 08:53 AM   #15
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It is a myth, or seems to be. Notice the key missing information of where this speech was supposedly made and on what date.

Here, it was in DC a few weeks before Halloween.
http://frostywooldridge.com/articles...rica_2003.html

Here, it was a few weeks prior to 17 Nov 2004...
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty4.htm

Lamm or whomever actually put together this trash did actually provide any supporting evidence to give credance that his words/predictions will ring true. The sad thing is that many people will believe it anyway because they don't think through what is said to them....sort of like religion.
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Old May 27, 2005, 03:59 PM   #16
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Twycross,

The Romans sure did rule with iron thumbs, but in their glory days they were a pluralistic hodgepodge of religions and languages. Persian mystery religion was popular, the government was almost entirely bilingual (Greek and Latin), and citizenship was extended to conquered peoples to boost support.

I agree with Marko Kloos above. The article is the same trash that people have said about every single immigrant group ever to hit american soil.
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Old May 27, 2005, 06:00 PM   #17
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The Roman Empire - 50 BC - 117 AD

http://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/timeline/index.html

No empire, country, whatever has ever been on the WORLD'S STAGE as a ruler, conqueror, liberator, leader (pick your adjective) for MORE than 220 YEARS.

And all those OTHER COUNTRIES MENTIONED are not having problems being inundated by a COUNTRY THAT BORDERS THEIR OWN, like Mexico does with the US.

The blacks should be freaking right out, because they are about to become insignificant in the political arena which is what happens when your 'minority' group becomes second place or third place. Which means all those social programs meant specifically for blacks will disappear in a generation or less, given that Mexico is sending us 'their poor, tired huddled masses, yearning to be free' in such RECORD NUMBERS.

Some estimates say that the ten million illegal immigrants figure is way too low. SOME FIGURES SHOW AS MANY AS TWENTY FIVE MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, MOSTLY FROM MEXICO. These numbers are since the last time we 'gave away' our citizenship to lawbreakers (illegals), I believe under Clinton. Prior to that, it was Reagan. So BOTH SIDES are trying to run this country into the ground.

The question is, WHY?
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Old May 27, 2005, 06:41 PM   #18
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Wallew,

That timeline is incomplete. The Romans were not really finished as an imperial power until the Muslim conquests of the 7th century. That's a whole lot longer, starting with Caesar, than 220 years.

And they did it mostly as a pluralistic, multi-lingual and multi-cultural people. I would say that isolationism and insistence on monocultural cities has destroyed or limited power historically. If you can't understand or trade with other people, you can't reap the benefits that trade has to offer.

Multi-culturalism isn't just "friendly", it's good business.

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Old May 27, 2005, 08:23 PM   #19
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Old May 27, 2005, 10:39 PM   #20
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The Romans WERE NO LONGER A WORLD CONQUEROR, leader, whatever AFTER NERO.

Yes they were still around. Guess what? Rome still exists today. But they are as inconsequential NOW as they were AFTER NERO FIDDLED WHILE ROME BURNED.
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Old May 27, 2005, 10:42 PM   #21
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Eh... Just drink your fluorinated tap water and relax...
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Old May 28, 2005, 12:46 AM   #22
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Wallew,

Untrue. Diocletian, Constantine, Theodosius I, and so on all the way to Heraclius were major world leaders. Heraclius even managed to annihilate the Persians. And, even in the time of Caesar, the Romans lived in a bilingual and pluralistic society.

People will always claim that including some such new group is the end of the world, and they will almost always be proven wrong.
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Old May 28, 2005, 08:41 AM   #23
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The Romans WERE NO LONGER A WORLD CONQUEROR, leader, whatever AFTER NERO.
That's plain wrong. The Roman Empire didn't even reach its biggest extent until Trajan and Hadrian, in 117 AD, fifty-odd years after Nero's death.

Also, it is widely held among historians that Nero wasn't even present in Rome during the great fire, but vacationing in the countryside. He came back to Rome when news of the fire was brought to him. Oh, and the fiddle wasn't even around yet...it wouldn't be invented until 16th century Renaissance Italy, fifteen centuries after Nero.
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http://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/timeline/index.html
Uh HELLO! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. 117 AD!

And yes, they were still a huge presence, BUT THEY WERE NO LONGER THE WORLDS CONQUERORS.

Like "Captain Jack Sparrow" said to the Commander in 'Pirates of the Carribean' when he said "You have to be the WORST PIRATE I've ever heard of"

Captain Jack Sparrow's response was, "BUT you have heard of me!"

THAT'S WHY I USED THE EUPHEMISM "Nero fiddled while Rome burned". BECAUSE EVERYONE has heard of that statement. Well, MOST people over the age of thirty have. Even I KNOW that statement IS NOT TRUE, but is an excellent example of one liners based in history.

And who did NERO BLAME for the burning of ROME?

Yes, you in the back? ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! THE CHRISTIANS WERE THE ROMAN SCAPEGOAT. Just like the Christian are being blamed for all the problems with the MUSLIMS now.

And unless I'm MISTAKEN, THE GREEKS broke the back of the PERSIAN EMPIRE. Or are you UNAWARE of what HAPPENED AFTER King Leonidas said, "MOLON LABE"? The Greeks crushed the million mom march of Xerxes. Which most consider the begining of the end of the Persian empire. The Romans just finished the job the Greeks began.

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Well after reading some of the replies here, I've now realized that trying to save America is pointless.
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