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Update on Atlanta Raid From Last Fall
I don't know how we all missed this, but the Headline of Wednesdays Atlanta Journal-Constitution is:
Atlanta officers to face murder indictment Fulton DA seeks charges in shooting of elderly woman in her home OK, before anyone shouts, "It's about time," read the entire article and pay particular attention to the last couple of paragraphs: Quote:
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I read about this case when the shooting first happened. This is what scares me about "no-knock" warrants issued based on confidential informants only. I'd hate to ever be in a situation where I was firing on and receiving fire from LEO's in my own home.
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The DA is stacking the charges:
4 counts of murder 3 counts of violation of oath by public officer 4 counts of false statements 2 counts of burglary 1 count of criminal solicitation 1 count of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon 1 count of false imprisonment 1 count of perjury Knowing how most Grand Juries can be manipulated, these charges will most likely go forward. What happens after that is anyone's guess. What I want to know is what is the DA actually doing here? If the FBI is supposed to have the lead in this investigation, then why is the DA rushing this? Why cut them off? Is this just jurisdictional jealousy? |
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Anonymous tips are tools of those who fear facing the accused, and the only reason for that is if the justice system is failing to protect those who utilize it, or because their motives are not legitimate. As to the case, I would like to see a full investigation of all parties involved, especially the basis of the no-knock warrant, and its justification of use for this circumstance. |
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You can be convicted in a state court + federal court and it does not violate double jeopardy. You could actually be convicted on murder in two states for the same crime and it would not violate double jeopardy. Double jeopardy attaches only when tried twice by the same sovereign jurisdiction. Separate sovereign jurisdictions (different states, fed gov) can prosecute an individual that has already been convicted in a different sovereign jurisdiction.
The movie "Double Jeopardy" is a complete falsehood because if I remember correctly, the lady traveled to a different state to kill her husband. |
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My take on this is that the prosecution came up with the "felony murder" charge because they think the jury won't convict and the cop(s) will walk. Jury would probably vote to convict if lesser charges were pursued. My 2ยข
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As for the second, you cannot expect to defend a charge unless you know who your original accuser is. If you do not know that information, you have no way to determine whether that accuser is someone who has had access to your living space or vehicle and may have planted "evidence" later to be "informed" about. I've had to make a couple complaints in my time. When I did, I had every expectation that my complaints had better turn out to be founded or else I would be prosecuted for making a false complaint. This is how it should be. |
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I am confused as well about the whole attorney/FBI thing. The FBI won't be charging anyone with murder. They would be investigating civil rights violations. What's wrong with charging these guys with state violations too?
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That is the jurisdiction where the crime occured so the DA should have the right to bring them to trial. Would the FBI invesatigation change any of the facts of the case? Maybe the DA feels that the FBI is dragging its feet in finishing the case. Who knows.
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This from today 4-26-07
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Apr...ooting,00.html
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There is omething askew here, anyone have a cc of the indictment?
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The only thing I saw was the proposed indictment I gave as a link in post #1.
A couple of other stories on this: Two Atlanta Cops Plead Guilty To Manslaughter (this one was updated at 8:30pm eastern) Three Atlanta Police Officers Charged In Fatal Shooting of Elderly Atlanta Woman |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070427/....pJAeTIfDMWM0F
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You know, I remember back when this happened there were a lot of folks in here defending the officers involved. Along with the standard "let's see how the investigation turns out" (which is reasonable) there were plenty of assumptions that A) she must have been letting somebody deal drugs out of her home and B) she "deserved" to die because she dared fire on cops.
There were a lot of LEOs/ex-LEOs (and others) in here unwilling to even entertain the idea that wrongdoing was involved, and more than willing to demonize this woman who appears to have been killed for no good reason. I wonder if any will wander back in to revise their positions. |
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The problem in this case isn't that it was a "no knock" warrant; it is that corrupt, lying, pejurious police officers were involved.
The State of GA's charges of murder are superior to the fed civil rights charges. If the feds want to come in later, they can do that. GA DAs don't need permission from the feds to bring murder charges. I doubt that any of the victim's family are members of the GA bar. |
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That, and the fact that it was a "no knock" warrant that turned these officers lies into a dead person. Basically, I'm thinking this is just another example of why there really is a problem with "no knock" warrants in general, and especially our overuse of them for preservation of evidence rather than preservation of life. |
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seems like a deal may have been cut for them to roll over on other narcotics officers. |
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"I wonder where the "three bags of marijuana" came from. Cop: "Let's see I've got my gun, ammo, cuffs. mace, marijuana... Yep, ready to roll."
Hum... Looks like his missing his untracable, no finger prints 'throw down on the perp Saturday Night Special.' He must have used it already.
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