PPKS one in chamber question

RickE · December 19, 2009, 08:11 PM

Do any of you carry a PPKS with one in the chamber, hammer down, safety on?

Billy M · December 19, 2009, 08:12 PM

Yes.

Glenn Dee · December 19, 2009, 08:26 PM

I'm carrying a PPK/s one in the pipe, hammer down, safety on. When and if I feel I may have a problem I'll push the safety off.

rockycat · December 19, 2009, 08:52 PM

+1 here.

Dfariswheel · December 19, 2009, 09:26 PM

Like most older PP series owners, I carried with the chamber loaded, hammer down, safety OFF, pretty much the way the gun was intended to be carried.

IS there a risk? Some, but probably no more than carrying a 1911 that has no firing pin safety.

PH/CIB · December 21, 2009, 11:20 PM

I used to carry a PPK with the hammer down and the safety off all the time, the first pull on the double action Walther was around 10 pounds, more than most Glocks, a lot like revolvers, just pull and shoot no safety to forget to take off.

Cant carry a PPK with the hammer cocked as the safety when put in the on position acts as a decocker so no cocked and locked option.

Ace_Breaker · December 21, 2009, 11:27 PM

I've carried a stainless Walther PPK for the better part of 20 years with one in the snothole and hammer down, no safety. Like mentioned before, the double action pull is stout and I never ever had a hint at there being any problems carrying it that way. Most of that carry was where the gun was just thrown in a bag that goes around my waist. I don't use the waist bag any longer, but either way, it's safe to carry that way in my opinion.

denfoote · December 22, 2009, 02:47 AM

The PPK/S has a gazillion pound D/A trigger!!

Even if you are prone to keeping your booger hook on the bang button, it's gonna take some effort to set the thing off!!

That said, I keep my frigg'in finger out of the trigger housing, keep a round in the pipe, and keep that stupid safety OFF!!

michael t · December 22, 2009, 02:50 AM

loaded Safety off I use as a decocker only then back to off

sils79 · December 22, 2009, 11:53 AM

+1 for 1 in the pipe, hammer down, safety off.

Sulaco2 · December 22, 2009, 12:02 PM

Newer version Walther/S&W PPK's and PPK/S guns have a fireing pin block and are safe to carry hammer down and safety off. Older ones made or imported to the US should not be carried with the safety off. Have been several incidents of guns firing when dropped on the muzzle and the pin going forward with enough power to pop the cap. One was a cop getting undressed in the locker room when his PPK fell out of the vest holster and went off. Nailed him in the gut, nearly died. I had a American Made PPK for several years and after a while noted the the firing pin had been drumming on the primer a little at a time when carried and had "dented" the cap. MAYBE a real strong pin spring would make a difference, not sure I care to try it. Carry older PPK style guns with the safety off at your own risk.

NightSleeper · December 22, 2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

The PPK/S has a gazillion pound D/A trigger!!

Even if you are prone to keeping your booger hook on the bang button, it's gonna take some effort to set the thing off!!

+1 on that. I don't carry one, but I own one, and I always cock the thing first. The DA on that thing is heavier than an average revolver, or so it feels like.

RickE · December 22, 2009, 03:38 PM

How old? Mine is not SW, or German. Interarms vintage. With the safety on, the "cam" blocks the hammer from the pin. Even if dropped on the hammer, it should not fire. I think I will keep the safety on thanks.

BlueTrain · December 22, 2009, 03:57 PM

Well, I had two or three PPKs, one of which was alloy frame in .32, plus one PP, and I never thought the trigger was heavy. I did have issues with the safety because it worked the "wrong way." But S&W safeties, such as the Model 39, as well as the Walther P38 all worked the same way. No doubt the safety could be manipulated quickly with practice but it wasn't as straight forward as the safety on a Makarov. And also unlike a Makarov, they all had a tendency to slice open your hand if you choked the grip, so to speak, when firing. Over all I rather liked it but not half as much as I liked the Colt Government 380s.

53Buick · December 22, 2009, 07:54 PM

Actually, I don't believe that current Walther/S&W PPK and PPK/S guns have a firing pin block that acts when the safety is off.

When the manual safety is on, the firing pin is trapped by a restriction in the channel that the firing pin moves through in the safety drum. But, when the safety is off, the firing pin is free to move into the primer if the gun is dropped muzzle down with sufficient force.

These guns can definitely go off if dropped muzzle down from sufficient height onto a sufficiently hard surface. Nobody plans to drop a gun but it happens. If it happens and you shoot yourself, that's enough of a problem but if someone else is hit, well, that is more of a problem than anyone wants.

53Buick

Glen-Bob · December 22, 2009, 10:56 PM

When I carry the PPKS I carry SOB one in the pipe, hammer down safety on. With a little practice it became a natural act for me to push the safety off as as I came around with it. I just hate the trigger pull and nasty recoil so much I don't carry mine to often these days.

GB

IZZY · December 23, 2009, 12:52 AM

Always carried my Interarms w/ safety off round in the chamber. YES I did drop it loaded and it landed on the muzzle, needed a slight re-crown...

I hate safeties on any gun ( other than S/A's)...the safety is either built into the gun w/o manipulation or in "your head" YMMV

blume357 · December 23, 2009, 08:15 AM

One in the chamber, hammer down and Safety OFF.

Can't really see the use for a safety on a good double/single action auto.

Sulaco2 · December 24, 2009, 08:52 PM

^ Umm its called a "safety" for more than one reason.

53Buick I will bow to your knowledge of the newer PPK's but my understanding was that the firing pin block was controled by the trigger and the act of pulling it back at some point released the pin block to allow the gun to fire. That is the basis for most pin safeties currently being used on semi autos.

December 19, 2009, 08:11 PM	#1
RickE Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2009 Location: Kirkland Wa. Posts: 516	PPKS one in chamber question Do any of you carry a PPKS with one in the chamber, hammer down, safety on?

December 22, 2009, 10:56 PM	#16
Glen-Bob Member Join Date: December 22, 2009 Location: NW FL Posts: 64	When I carry the PPKS I carry SOB one in the pipe, hammer down safety on. With a little practice it became a natural act for me to push the safety off as as I came around with it. I just hate the trigger pull and nasty recoil so much I don't carry mine to often these days. GB __________________ Trust in God. Prepare your hands for battle.

December 23, 2009, 08:15 AM	#18
blume357 Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2005 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 3,943	I agree.. One in the chamber, hammer down and Safety OFF. Can't really see the use for a safety on a good double/single action auto.

December 19, 2009, 08:12 PM	#2
Billy M Junior Member Join Date: December 16, 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 7	Yes.

December 19, 2009, 08:26 PM	#3
Glenn Dee Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,559	I'm carrying a PPK/s one in the pipe, hammer down, safety on. When and if I feel I may have a problem I'll push the safety off.

December 19, 2009, 08:52 PM	#4
rockycat Member Join Date: September 1, 2009 Posts: 81	+1 here.

December 19, 2009, 09:26 PM	#5
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,561	Like most older PP series owners, I carried with the chamber loaded, hammer down, safety OFF, pretty much the way the gun was intended to be carried. IS there a risk? Some, but probably no more than carrying a 1911 that has no firing pin safety.

December 21, 2009, 11:20 PM	#6
PH/CIB Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 281	I used to carry a PPK with the hammer down and the safety off all the time, the first pull on the double action Walther was around 10 pounds, more than most Glocks, a lot like revolvers, just pull and shoot no safety to forget to take off. Cant carry a PPK with the hammer cocked as the safety when put in the on position acts as a decocker so no cocked and locked option.

December 21, 2009, 11:27 PM	#7
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	I've carried a stainless Walther PPK for the better part of 20 years with one in the snothole and hammer down, no safety. Like mentioned before, the double action pull is stout and I never ever had a hint at there being any problems carrying it that way. Most of that carry was where the gun was just thrown in a bag that goes around my waist. I don't use the waist bag any longer, but either way, it's safe to carry that way in my opinion.

December 22, 2009, 02:47 AM	#8
denfoote Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 1999 Location: Buckeye Arizona Posts: 5,526	The PPK/S has a gazillion pound D/A trigger!! Even if you are prone to keeping your booger hook on the bang button, it's gonna take some effort to set the thing off!! That said, I keep my frigg'in finger out of the trigger housing, keep a round in the pipe, and keep that stupid safety OFF!!

December 22, 2009, 02:50 AM	#9
michael t Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Location: Out back Ky Posts: 4,044	loaded Safety off I use as a decocker only then back to off

December 22, 2009, 11:53 AM	#10
sils79 Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 180	+1 for 1 in the pipe, hammer down, safety off.

December 22, 2009, 12:02 PM	#11
Sulaco2 Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,247	Newer version Walther/S&W PPK's and PPK/S guns have a fireing pin block and are safe to carry hammer down and safety off. Older ones made or imported to the US should not be carried with the safety off. Have been several incidents of guns firing when dropped on the muzzle and the pin going forward with enough power to pop the cap. One was a cop getting undressed in the locker room when his PPK fell out of the vest holster and went off. Nailed him in the gut, nearly died. I had a American Made PPK for several years and after a while noted the the firing pin had been drumming on the primer a little at a time when carried and had "dented" the cap. MAYBE a real strong pin spring would make a difference, not sure I care to try it. Carry older PPK style guns with the safety off at your own risk.

December 22, 2009, 03:38 PM	#13
RickE Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2009 Location: Kirkland Wa. Posts: 516	How old? Mine is not SW, or German. Interarms vintage. With the safety on, the "cam" blocks the hammer from the pin. Even if dropped on the hammer, it should not fire. I think I will keep the safety on thanks.

December 22, 2009, 03:57 PM	#14
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	Well, I had two or three PPKs, one of which was alloy frame in .32, plus one PP, and I never thought the trigger was heavy. I did have issues with the safety because it worked the "wrong way." But S&W safeties, such as the Model 39, as well as the Walther P38 all worked the same way. No doubt the safety could be manipulated quickly with practice but it wasn't as straight forward as the safety on a Makarov. And also unlike a Makarov, they all had a tendency to slice open your hand if you choked the grip, so to speak, when firing. Over all I rather liked it but not half as much as I liked the Colt Government 380s.

December 22, 2009, 07:54 PM	#15
53Buick Junior Member Join Date: October 29, 2009 Posts: 4	Actually, I don't believe that current Walther/S&W PPK and PPK/S guns have a firing pin block that acts when the safety is off. When the manual safety is on, the firing pin is trapped by a restriction in the channel that the firing pin moves through in the safety drum. But, when the safety is off, the firing pin is free to move into the primer if the gun is dropped muzzle down with sufficient force. These guns can definitely go off if dropped muzzle down from sufficient height onto a sufficiently hard surface. Nobody plans to drop a gun but it happens. If it happens and you shoot yourself, that's enough of a problem but if someone else is hit, well, that is more of a problem than anyone wants. 53Buick

December 23, 2009, 12:52 AM	#17
IZZY Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Florida Posts: 940	Always carried my Interarms w/ safety off round in the chamber. YES I did drop it loaded and it landed on the muzzle, needed a slight re-crown... I hate safeties on any gun ( other than S/A's)...the safety is either built into the gun w/o manipulation or in "your head" YMMV

December 24, 2009, 08:52 PM	#19
Sulaco2 Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,247	^ Umm its called a "safety" for more than one reason. 53Buick I will bow to your knowledge of the newer PPK's but my understanding was that the firing pin block was controled by the trigger and the act of pulling it back at some point released the pin block to allow the gun to fire. That is the basis for most pin safeties currently being used on semi autos.