had an argument with a buddy of mine about keeping 1 in the chamber.

#18indycolts · February 9, 2006, 01:12 AM

I could have put this in the tactical forum but thought it would be better in the semiauto since it pertains to semi's. My buddy always keeps one in the chamber (he carries a compact taurus 9mm) and I never keep one in the chamber (I carry a walther P99 .40) at home or when I carry. Safety issue? Yes, for me...but I wanna think I can snap 1 in the chamber quick enough if needed. Your thoughts?

DobermansDoItGoofy · February 9, 2006, 01:20 AM

A nice DA Revolver solves that problem!

deadin · February 9, 2006, 01:26 AM

Never had any qualms about having a loaded chamber in my Sig 229.

Dean

#18indycolts · February 9, 2006, 01:29 AM

I know, thats why I posted it in the semi forum. But wait....my P99 AS has 3 different trigger pulls and 1 is DA.

for some reason I still feel wierd about it. Don't know why. I had a 642 smith...so I know what its like. Lately though, I think I've been too cautious.

#18indycolts · February 9, 2006, 01:32 AM

my only answer is I have animal alarms, My thinking is (and my dogs do a perfect job of alerting me when someone is around the house) I might rely too much on my dogs over safety.

Half-Price Assassin · February 9, 2006, 01:34 AM

your choice, your life....

if your not sure of your gun's ability to be safely carried with one in the pipe, then maybe you should trade it in for a gun you would feel safe about carrying with one in the pipe. remember, you dont pick the situation when your life is being threatened. you may be able to quickly pull the slide back, to chamber, or you wont be able to. your left hand maybe in use when you have to pull your firearm (holding back your loved one, or keeping the attacker back). maybe you should have bought a gun with a manual safety, instead of the striker fired P99. just think of most (if not all law enforcement), in america, they all carry one in the pipe, and they carry more then most of us citizens do. but another thing to consider is that the isreali soliders carry GLOCKS 9mm, with an empty chamber.

so who knows, whats best??????????

#18indycolts · February 9, 2006, 01:59 AM

1/2 price- you got me thinking. You really do. The main reason I think I don't keep 1 in the chamber is advice from a Johnson Cty. LEO...anyone heard of the late Carlos Hathcock? 93 confirmed kills in Vietnam. This LEO not only met but shot with probably the best shooter that ever lived. He told me that Hathcock said "safety is priority." and he told me what Hatchcock told him, was "war is different, taking a life on a public street is another. The public and lawyers will try and find ANY way to take you down as the bad guy." That isn't word for word but is the best that I can remember. But maybe I should stop thinking about the "legal aspects" and start making "life before limb" #1. Thanx for the insight.

Mosin44az · February 9, 2006, 02:26 AM

I know Hathcock is a great warrior, not sure of his expertise on civilian defensive gun use. Massad Ayoob also counsels caution, but he carries with a loaded chamber and has never advised otherwise to my knowledge, and Ayoob testifies all the time in defensive gun use trials.

If you have to use a gun to defend yourself, out of the house, you may need it really quickly and won't necessarily have time to rack the slide. You also may not have both hands free to do so. Nobody in this country makes police carry with an empty chamber, as far as I know. In Europe maybe.

If you have a pistol with a sensitive trigger, use a holster that safely blocks the trigger from contact until you draw. If you can't do that, because of preferred mode of carry or whatever, follow the advice of another poster above and get something "safer."

I know the concern--I won't carry a Glock without a hard holster, for instance, or a 1911--but most DA autos don't seem that scary in the way you suggest. Nor do DA revolvers, for that matter......

Sir William · February 9, 2006, 02:37 AM

I carry a Walther PP in 32 ACP. Loaded 9 up with the safety on. Think about it.

Mosin44az · February 9, 2006, 02:39 AM

I admit I buzzed past Half-Price's comments, so I guess I'm really +1 on his quick reaction point.

To me it's really about preventing accidental discharge while making sure you can defend yourself, rather than the "appearance" of carrying with a loaded chamber. If some prosecutor is out to get you, starting with an empty chamber isn't going to help, and if you rack your slide suddenly you have a cocked pistol with no safety on.......

croyance · February 9, 2006, 02:42 AM

I keep one in the chamber.
If I have to shoot anybody in self defence, I will be argueing justification. Its not like I have any record of brandishing. That gun came out for a reason.
Massab Ayoob tends to be very cautious about what a citizen should do, down to argueing that we should not load our own cartridges used in self-defense so it cannot be argued that we loaded 'killer bullets'. Yet he counsels one in the chamber.
I cannot predict the situation when I must defend myself. Though I will try to do what I can to gain the advantage, the moment comes on another's initiative. I may not have the time or ability to rack a slide then.
A holster that covers the trigger guard removes true accidents. Guns do not just go off on their own.

281 Quad Cam · February 9, 2006, 02:44 AM

It is a personal choice. If you do not feel safe or comfortable with carrying your pistol with a loaded chamber - by all means don't. Some NAZI's on this board will try to tell you that your choice is ineffective and that you'll wind up dead or something unless you start carrying one in the chamber. Alot of people go completely unarmed, don't use their brains, yackin away on cellphones and befriending the wrong types of people - and never encounter a bad situation.

The bottom line though, if you want to know - empty chamber carry does not cut it. Trouble can hit fast and hard. Much of the time the victim has 0 opportunity to react. Many people are hit from behind and all the training and equipment in the world didn't matter. But by keeping as ready as possible, and as fast and sharp as possible, one can keep themselves significantly safer. I had some issues with loaded chamber on my Glock - a few videos and descriptions of REAL shooting incidents made me get over it real quick. Action is fast, real fast... Even with a loaded chamber you will feel too slow, perhaps even with gun in hand you will feel too slow - and that is good, because complacency in training is a pet peeve of mine.

About the legal issues... Cops, AKA good guys, carry loaded chamber. Taking alot of time and racking a slide can be argued to be pre-meditation. If you had enough time to rack the slide, you clearly weren't in immediate danger! Thats what I would argue if I wanted you put away. Would it hold up? Depends on the jury doesn't it? For effect I might even hand a P99 to an elderly female juror and ask her to rack the slide. Her fumbling for 2 full minutes before loading it wouldn't accurately reflect your situation, but since when is fact or truth important in a courtroom?

In the end though, it's your life, your safety, and your judgement about yourself. If you feel comfortable empty chamber - do it. A fellow armed citizen who is responsible enough to recognize the danger of firearms is welcomed in my eyes. Be as safe as you wish.
I'm tired of guys with 2-3 pound triggers on their Glocks who don't mind muzzle sweeping a whole crowd of people telling me a leather holster is too slow, I need kydex or im gonna DIE.

IndianaDean · February 9, 2006, 03:10 AM

The NRA course I took out at Popguns pretty much proved you will not be able to chamber one in time. The instructor there stood 25 feet away from me, told me when he was going to come at me, and had me pull a Glock and chamber a dummy round in it to bring up to fire before he got to me. I could not do it in time, and neither could anyone else. And keep in mind, a bad guy is not going to tell you he's going to run at you.

The owner of Popguns and his NRA instructor are both sheriffs. They both told me and others "don't carry if you're not going to carry with one in the chamber."

I honestly believe carrying without one in the chamber ready to go is more likely to get you killed than having one in the chamber ready to fire.

#18indycolts · February 9, 2006, 03:13 AM

281-right on. When I was younger (i'm only 26 now) my first carry was a 642 smith, and I carried that for years. Then I heard Hathcock's reasoning and it made sense. Ever since I've been a paramedic, it seems I've been too safe. And its not me that has changed, just my career. People, thanx a lot for simple answers that open up minds!

#18indycolts · February 9, 2006, 03:31 AM

Dean-very good point. Hey, I just bought an AK from Popguns a couple weeks ago. I can honestly say that they (Pop) is my #1 choice for firearms. When are we gonna hit the range???

IndianaDean · February 9, 2006, 04:08 AM

Sounds good to me. I have bought most of my firearms at Plainfield Shooting Supplies though.
Although I bought my current S&W Commander 1911 from Mike at Popguns. Last week I went down to Elmore's in Greenwood. I'm so glad I did. They have two cases full of 1911s, including Nighthawk Customs, Wilsons, and I found the first Series 70 Colt I've seen in town. I put it in layaway, and I'm heading down there tomorrow to trade some Taurus revolvers in to make up as much of the difference for it as I can.
I recommend both Elmore's and Plainfield Shooting.

#18indycolts · February 9, 2006, 04:35 AM

Dean, I might have to check out elmores...where in greenwood is it? Get me there from cty line and 65.

WESHOOT2 · February 9, 2006, 07:23 AM

If a defensive arm cannot be brought into action by one hand only, change your defensive arm system or technique.

dlefdal · February 9, 2006, 08:46 AM

Coming from a LEO............

If you don't carry one in the pipe, you have an expensive brick. If you are not able to carry your weapon safely with a round chambered, then you shouldn't be carrying. Otherwise, there is no point.

You don't get to pick the timing of the incident. You may need it in a hurry, or you may need to be tactical about it and not have the bg hear you rack the slide.

The whole idea of, "if I carry one in the pipe, the district attorney will nail me," is false. If you stick to common sense, this is not a problem. You are carrying a gun to protect you, it aint going to make a bit of a difference in court whether you had one in the pipe.

I understand the safety part, and I admire that up to a point. But as I said, if you can't carry the right way safely, leave it in your safe.

stratus · February 9, 2006, 08:52 AM

Indy,

Would you consider yourself comfortable with a revolver? And if so, what's the difference between that and say, a DA/SA auto with a chambered round and decocked, in terms of safety?

Tall Pine · February 9, 2006, 09:52 AM

....dont carry if you don't have one in the chamber?

I disagree. I can think of a many scenarios where I'd be glad to have a gun with nothing in the chamber than have NO gun at all.

Ferrari is faster than corvette is faster than camry...

springmom · February 9, 2006, 11:49 AM

...carry with one in the chamber. If that makes you nervous, that is good, actually. None of us should get so complacent that it does NOT make us nervous a little (at least, very aware of that gun at all times).

But you're not going to have time to chamber a round if somebody starts toward you. You have to be able to draw and already be ready to fire. No bad guy is going stand there and wait for you to rack your slide. Also, remember that in a real scenario, you're going to be fearful, adrenaline-charged, shocked, or all of the above; and that is not a great time to have to rack the slide on a gun anyway.

Get a gun with a good safety on it if this worries you. Or the XD series, with the grip safety and the trigger safeties.

But keep one in the chamber.

Springmom

buzz_knox · February 9, 2006, 11:59 AM

Look at it this way. If you don't have one in the chamber, then your weapon is a blunt instrument which is inefficiently designed for beating someone, with the potential of being an effective weapon if you have opportunity to chamber a round. If you need to use it but one arm becomes ineffective due to injury, being grabbed, or blocking an attack, you have just taken the situation from dire to "oh crap, why was I ever born?" in a heartbeat.

MoW · February 9, 2006, 12:12 PM

The instructor there stood 25 feet away from me, told me when he was going to come at me, and had me pull a Glock and chamber a dummy round in it to bring up to fire before he got to me

Yeah, I wonder if the instructor would continue to come at me if I pulled a gun and he didn't know whether or not it had 1 in the chamber

I think at that point he would stop---would you take the risk of whether or not someone had 1 in the chamber and you are 15ft away. Do ya feel lucky punk...well do ya!

Mikeyboy · February 9, 2006, 12:12 PM

Just me but at home, I never keep one in the chamber of my safe guns. Carrying? I carry a revolver, but I do not trust a DOA pistol without a manual safety to have a round in the chamber. I'm buying a Kel-tec for summer carry and I will just train to get real quick racking the slide while drawing. Same if I carried a Glock. I seen too many ND with DOA pistols in my life to trust one in the chamber. Now I would trust my Taurus PT92 with one in the chamber if I were to carry it (it would have to be a SHTF event for me to carry it because it is so heavy and chunky, its my house gun, not a good CCW), its a DA/SA with a decocker and a manual safety. I would carry it decocked in DA mode with the safety on. So if I had a semi auto with a safety..yes I would carry one in the chamber. No Safety, no chamber round.

February 9, 2006, 01:20 AM	#2
DobermansDoItGoofy Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2005 Posts: 156	Hmmm... A nice DA Revolver solves that problem!

February 9, 2006, 01:34 AM	#6
Half-Price Assassin Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2005 Location: Oh Posts: 602	its your life your choice, your life.... if your not sure of your gun's ability to be safely carried with one in the pipe, then maybe you should trade it in for a gun you would feel safe about carrying with one in the pipe. remember, you dont pick the situation when your life is being threatened. you may be able to quickly pull the slide back, to chamber, or you wont be able to. your left hand maybe in use when you have to pull your firearm (holding back your loved one, or keeping the attacker back). maybe you should have bought a gun with a manual safety, instead of the striker fired P99. just think of most (if not all law enforcement), in america, they all carry one in the pipe, and they carry more then most of us citizens do. but another thing to consider is that the isreali soliders carry GLOCKS 9mm, with an empty chamber. so who knows, whats best??????????

February 9, 2006, 11:49 AM	#22
springmom Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2005 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,823	Always ...carry with one in the chamber. If that makes you nervous, that is good, actually. None of us should get so complacent that it does NOT make us nervous a little (at least, very aware of that gun at all times). But you're not going to have time to chamber a round if somebody starts toward you. You have to be able to draw and already be ready to fire. No bad guy is going stand there and wait for you to rack your slide. Also, remember that in a real scenario, you're going to be fearful, adrenaline-charged, shocked, or all of the above; and that is not a great time to have to rack the slide on a gun anyway. Get a gun with a good safety on it if this worries you. Or the XD series, with the grip safety and the trigger safeties. But keep one in the chamber. Springmom

February 9, 2006, 01:12 AM	#1
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	had an argument with a buddy of mine about keeping 1 in the chamber. I could have put this in the tactical forum but thought it would be better in the semiauto since it pertains to semi's. My buddy always keeps one in the chamber (he carries a compact taurus 9mm) and I never keep one in the chamber (I carry a walther P99 .40) at home or when I carry. Safety issue? Yes, for me...but I wanna think I can snap 1 in the chamber quick enough if needed. Your thoughts?

February 9, 2006, 01:26 AM	#3
deadin Junior member Join Date: September 6, 2005 Location: Ocean Shores, WA Posts: 1,052	Never had any qualms about having a loaded chamber in my Sig 229. Dean

February 9, 2006, 01:29 AM	#4
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	I know, thats why I posted it in the semi forum. But wait....my P99 AS has 3 different trigger pulls and 1 is DA. for some reason I still feel wierd about it. Don't know why. I had a 642 smith...so I know what its like. Lately though, I think I've been too cautious.

February 9, 2006, 01:32 AM	#5
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	my only answer is I have animal alarms, My thinking is (and my dogs do a perfect job of alerting me when someone is around the house) I might rely too much on my dogs over safety.

February 9, 2006, 01:59 AM	#7
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	1/2 price- you got me thinking. You really do. The main reason I think I don't keep 1 in the chamber is advice from a Johnson Cty. LEO...anyone heard of the late Carlos Hathcock? 93 confirmed kills in Vietnam. This LEO not only met but shot with probably the best shooter that ever lived. He told me that Hathcock said "safety is priority." and he told me what Hatchcock told him, was "war is different, taking a life on a public street is another. The public and lawyers will try and find ANY way to take you down as the bad guy." That isn't word for word but is the best that I can remember. But maybe I should stop thinking about the "legal aspects" and start making "life before limb" #1. Thanx for the insight.

February 9, 2006, 02:26 AM	#8
Mosin44az Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2006 Posts: 2,627	I know Hathcock is a great warrior, not sure of his expertise on civilian defensive gun use. Massad Ayoob also counsels caution, but he carries with a loaded chamber and has never advised otherwise to my knowledge, and Ayoob testifies all the time in defensive gun use trials. If you have to use a gun to defend yourself, out of the house, you may need it really quickly and won't necessarily have time to rack the slide. You also may not have both hands free to do so. Nobody in this country makes police carry with an empty chamber, as far as I know. In Europe maybe. If you have a pistol with a sensitive trigger, use a holster that safely blocks the trigger from contact until you draw. If you can't do that, because of preferred mode of carry or whatever, follow the advice of another poster above and get something "safer." I know the concern--I won't carry a Glock without a hard holster, for instance, or a 1911--but most DA autos don't seem that scary in the way you suggest. Nor do DA revolvers, for that matter......

February 9, 2006, 02:37 AM	#9
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	I carry a Walther PP in 32 ACP. Loaded 9 up with the safety on. Think about it.

February 9, 2006, 02:39 AM	#10
Mosin44az Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2006 Posts: 2,627	I admit I buzzed past Half-Price's comments, so I guess I'm really +1 on his quick reaction point. To me it's really about preventing accidental discharge while making sure you can defend yourself, rather than the "appearance" of carrying with a loaded chamber. If some prosecutor is out to get you, starting with an empty chamber isn't going to help, and if you rack your slide suddenly you have a cocked pistol with no safety on.......

February 9, 2006, 02:42 AM	#11
croyance Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2001 Posts: 3,604	I keep one in the chamber. If I have to shoot anybody in self defence, I will be argueing justification. Its not like I have any record of brandishing. That gun came out for a reason. Massab Ayoob tends to be very cautious about what a citizen should do, down to argueing that we should not load our own cartridges used in self-defense so it cannot be argued that we loaded 'killer bullets'. Yet he counsels one in the chamber. I cannot predict the situation when I must defend myself. Though I will try to do what I can to gain the advantage, the moment comes on another's initiative. I may not have the time or ability to rack a slide then. A holster that covers the trigger guard removes true accidents. Guns do not just go off on their own.

February 9, 2006, 02:44 AM	#12
281 Quad Cam Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 937	It is a personal choice. If you do not feel safe or comfortable with carrying your pistol with a loaded chamber - by all means don't. Some NAZI's on this board will try to tell you that your choice is ineffective and that you'll wind up dead or something unless you start carrying one in the chamber. Alot of people go completely unarmed, don't use their brains, yackin away on cellphones and befriending the wrong types of people - and never encounter a bad situation. The bottom line though, if you want to know - empty chamber carry does not cut it. Trouble can hit fast and hard. Much of the time the victim has 0 opportunity to react. Many people are hit from behind and all the training and equipment in the world didn't matter. But by keeping as ready as possible, and as fast and sharp as possible, one can keep themselves significantly safer. I had some issues with loaded chamber on my Glock - a few videos and descriptions of REAL shooting incidents made me get over it real quick. Action is fast, real fast... Even with a loaded chamber you will feel too slow, perhaps even with gun in hand you will feel too slow - and that is good, because complacency in training is a pet peeve of mine. About the legal issues... Cops, AKA good guys, carry loaded chamber. Taking alot of time and racking a slide can be argued to be pre-meditation. If you had enough time to rack the slide, you clearly weren't in immediate danger! Thats what I would argue if I wanted you put away. Would it hold up? Depends on the jury doesn't it? For effect I might even hand a P99 to an elderly female juror and ask her to rack the slide. Her fumbling for 2 full minutes before loading it wouldn't accurately reflect your situation, but since when is fact or truth important in a courtroom? In the end though, it's your life, your safety, and your judgement about yourself. If you feel comfortable empty chamber - do it. A fellow armed citizen who is responsible enough to recognize the danger of firearms is welcomed in my eyes. Be as safe as you wish. I'm tired of guys with 2-3 pound triggers on their Glocks who don't mind muzzle sweeping a whole crowd of people telling me a leather holster is too slow, I need kydex or im gonna DIE.

February 9, 2006, 03:10 AM	#13
IndianaDean Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2004 Location: Indiana(obviously) Posts: 362	The NRA course I took out at Popguns pretty much proved you will not be able to chamber one in time. The instructor there stood 25 feet away from me, told me when he was going to come at me, and had me pull a Glock and chamber a dummy round in it to bring up to fire before he got to me. I could not do it in time, and neither could anyone else. And keep in mind, a bad guy is not going to tell you he's going to run at you. The owner of Popguns and his NRA instructor are both sheriffs. They both told me and others "don't carry if you're not going to carry with one in the chamber." I honestly believe carrying without one in the chamber ready to go is more likely to get you killed than having one in the chamber ready to fire.

February 9, 2006, 03:13 AM	#14
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	281-right on. When I was younger (i'm only 26 now) my first carry was a 642 smith, and I carried that for years. Then I heard Hathcock's reasoning and it made sense. Ever since I've been a paramedic, it seems I've been too safe. And its not me that has changed, just my career. People, thanx a lot for simple answers that open up minds!

February 9, 2006, 03:31 AM	#15
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	Dean-very good point. Hey, I just bought an AK from Popguns a couple weeks ago. I can honestly say that they (Pop) is my #1 choice for firearms. When are we gonna hit the range???

February 9, 2006, 04:08 AM	#16
IndianaDean Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2004 Location: Indiana(obviously) Posts: 362	Sounds good to me. I have bought most of my firearms at Plainfield Shooting Supplies though. Although I bought my current S&W Commander 1911 from Mike at Popguns. Last week I went down to Elmore's in Greenwood. I'm so glad I did. They have two cases full of 1911s, including Nighthawk Customs, Wilsons, and I found the first Series 70 Colt I've seen in town. I put it in layaway, and I'm heading down there tomorrow to trade some Taurus revolvers in to make up as much of the difference for it as I can. I recommend both Elmore's and Plainfield Shooting.

February 9, 2006, 04:35 AM	#17
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	Dean, I might have to check out elmores...where in greenwood is it? Get me there from cty line and 65.

February 9, 2006, 07:23 AM	#18
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	Rules If a defensive arm cannot be brought into action by one hand only, change your defensive arm system or technique.

February 9, 2006, 08:46 AM	#19
dlefdal Junior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Posts: 11	Coming from a LEO............ If you don't carry one in the pipe, you have an expensive brick. If you are not able to carry your weapon safely with a round chambered, then you shouldn't be carrying. Otherwise, there is no point. You don't get to pick the timing of the incident. You may need it in a hurry, or you may need to be tactical about it and not have the bg hear you rack the slide. The whole idea of, "if I carry one in the pipe, the district attorney will nail me," is false. If you stick to common sense, this is not a problem. You are carrying a gun to protect you, it aint going to make a bit of a difference in court whether you had one in the pipe. I understand the safety part, and I admire that up to a point. But as I said, if you can't carry the right way safely, leave it in your safe.

February 9, 2006, 08:52 AM	#20
stratus Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 881	Indy, Would you consider yourself comfortable with a revolver? And if so, what's the difference between that and say, a DA/SA auto with a chambered round and decocked, in terms of safety?

February 9, 2006, 09:52 AM	#21
Tall Pine Member Join Date: November 3, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 90	....dont carry if you don't have one in the chamber? I disagree. I can think of a many scenarios where I'd be glad to have a gun with nothing in the chamber than have NO gun at all. Ferrari is faster than corvette is faster than camry...

February 9, 2006, 11:59 AM	#23
buzz_knox Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Location: Knoxville, in the Free State of Tennesse Posts: 4,190	Look at it this way. If you don't have one in the chamber, then your weapon is a blunt instrument which is inefficiently designed for beating someone, with the potential of being an effective weapon if you have opportunity to chamber a round. If you need to use it but one arm becomes ineffective due to injury, being grabbed, or blocking an attack, you have just taken the situation from dire to "oh crap, why was I ever born?" in a heartbeat.

February 9, 2006, 12:12 PM	#24
MoW Junior member Join Date: January 27, 2005 Posts: 1,009	The instructor there stood 25 feet away from me, told me when he was going to come at me, and had me pull a Glock and chamber a dummy round in it to bring up to fire before he got to me Yeah, I wonder if the instructor would continue to come at me if I pulled a gun and he didn't know whether or not it had 1 in the chamber I think at that point he would stop---would you take the risk of whether or not someone had 1 in the chamber and you are 15ft away. Do ya feel lucky punk...well do ya!

February 9, 2006, 12:12 PM	#25
Mikeyboy Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Posts: 1,231	Just me but at home, I never keep one in the chamber of my safe guns. Carrying? I carry a revolver, but I do not trust a DOA pistol without a manual safety to have a round in the chamber. I'm buying a Kel-tec for summer carry and I will just train to get real quick racking the slide while drawing. Same if I carried a Glock. I seen too many ND with DOA pistols in my life to trust one in the chamber. Now I would trust my Taurus PT92 with one in the chamber if I were to carry it (it would have to be a SHTF event for me to carry it because it is so heavy and chunky, its my house gun, not a good CCW), its a DA/SA with a decocker and a manual safety. I would carry it decocked in DA mode with the safety on. So if I had a semi auto with a safety..yes I would carry one in the chamber. No Safety, no chamber round.