.45acp anti bear round(abr)?

[cajun47]

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...ductTabReviews

is that what that big old chunky bullet is made for?

[Stiofan]

Yes. Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore started out designing his ammo for just this reason.

[LockedBreech]

Yikes! That is a mean sucker! I've actually never even heard of a .45 loaded heavier than 230.

I do not purchase Buffalo Bore products, though. I just won't be that hard on my guns. I'm leery about even buying +p 9mm ammunition.

[8shot357]

As long as it feed in a semi, but they do make 45scp revolvers too. Maybe it's more for those.

[jrothWA]

my 1911 loaded with Hornady 230gr FMJ-FP. never needed to draw but felt confident with them. The above load is no longer made, but I got two twenty round boxes left, plus they work NICELY on bowling pins!

Spoke with Sierra Techs and they recommend the heaviest FMJ you can handle and at the maximum velocity, for dealing with heavy bodies critters.

[MLeake]

LawScholar, theoretically at least, BB isn't any harder on guns than normal +P. From what I've read, Tim Sundles gets his velocities by sustaining a middle-high pressure for longer duration, instead of going for a high peak pressure. If that is true, then those loads never actually approach the limits of the gun.

Pressure spike is often the big deal... an example is somebody loading a rifle cartridge with pistol powder. Pistol powder burns faster, and spikes, although it doesn't achieve the pressure over duration of slower-burning rifle powder. But that spike has blown up a good number of rifles, when pistol powder rounds have accidentally been loaded, chambered, and fired.

[Rugerismisticness]

I stick with a 230 semi wadcutter at 950fps. It has great penetration, good hydrostatic shock, and I have no feeding issues with my P345.

[popplecop]

First of all if I were really concerned about bear, I'd be carryong at least a .44 mag with 300 gr bullets. Yet I always am carrying a 1911 when prowling the woods anything from a .22 rf to a45 acp. I'd just stoke it with 230 gr. FMJ rounds, all my 45s handle them well. Will be in black bear country this next week fishing and I'm taking a 38 Super with 130 gr. +Ps FMJs, really don't worry about bear much anyway. When working I live trapped and steel trapped bear doing damage carried my S&W Md. 15 38 sp., that was we were issued in those years.

[jmr40]

Compared to a 10mm or 357 mag 200gr hardcast @ 1300 fps it is still a weak sister.

[rantingredneck]

I've handloaded some 260 gr. Speer SJHP's in .45 before. According to published data I wasn't in +P territory but I was tickling the top of the SAAMI max for .45ACP standard pressure. I had some mild cratering of primers though. Decided that a good .357 could do what I needed done better than the .45ACP.

[Sixer]

First of all if I were really concerned about bear, I'd be carryong at least a .44 mag with 300 gr bullets.

This.

[Mello2u]

Seems like the best "bear load" on the market for the .45ACP. Might even be better than what you can do hand loading.

While Buffalo Bore lists their 255gr bullet at 925fps, DoubleTap lists their 255gr .45ACP load at a velocity of 875fps.

Buffalo Bore Ammunition 454 Casull 360 Grain Lead Long Wide Nose @ 1425 fps and with a Muzzle Energy: 1623 ft. lbs. Ooooooo

[checkmyswag]

bear bells

[Alaska444]

I still believe the .45 ACP is a two legged defense gun, not a bear gun. However, someone in Mt McKinnley in Alaska killed a grizzly a year ago with a .45 ACP. I will stick to my .44 Ruger SRH with the Buffalo Bore ammo that they have for that.

[Mr.Blue]

Do you know the particulars? How many hits did he get on the Grizzly?

[jgcoastie]

Even as mean as it looks, it's highly anemic for a serious bear defense gun.

[LockedBreech]

I'm curious about the power of a standard-power .44 Magnum load vs. a standard-power .45 ACP load. I know the .44 is more powerful, but how much more?

As I understand, the .45 and .357 Magnum are generally equivalent, except for particularly hot loads like Federal's 357B

[TXGunNut]

Sounds like it's very close energy-wise to a blackpowder 45 Colt load. Would rather have a Keiith boolit but a 1911 is easier to pack in the woods and on the street. A good gun on the hip beats a geat gun in the safe.
OTOH I've had less-than-optimal results with wild boar hogs using a 45acp. No bear expert but suspect a bear can be as tough or tougher than any hog. I carry a 45 Colt with either my Keith cast boolits or 300 gr XTP's as a backup to my rifle when hunting big pigs, will likely carry the same on my rare trips to bear country.

[sandbag]

If you have a 45 ACP DA revolver,Buffalo Bore makes a 45 Auto Rim,which is essentially a 45 ACP anyway,with a 255 gr hardcast round nose flat point bullet.It goes about 1000 fps.Should be ok for black bear.It has wicked recoil in an S&W Model 22-4,which is a pretty hefty firearm.
I'm hardly recoil shy,being right at home with 44 Mags and my recently purchased 10mm Glock 20SF,just that this round actually numbed my hand.
FWIW the Glock really dampens the 10mm recoil-I wonder what those 10mm rounds would be like in the rarely seen Blackhawk convertible?

[bamaranger]

The grizzly v. .45acp shooting occurred on Nat. Park lands up there and was pretty well documented. A little snooping should get anyone interested more details. This was just after the firearms regs changed in the Parks and the episode got a bit of attention.

Shooter was protecting his girl friend as I recall and got multiple hits. Not sure of his score.

[chuckscap]

I've got a 1911 Springfield V16 Long Slide that I carry in those kind of situations. It's built for 45 Super rounds. Seems like the Buffalo Bore 255 hard cast is a perfect fit for my gun ... Gonna have to try it.

[cajun47]

hard cast bullets. will that work with the glock 30?

[COSteve]

At only 484ft/lbs of muzzle energy, I'd have some reservations, very serious reservations about shooting a bear, any bear with that round.

[Alaska444]

I carry my SP101 in .357 as my daily carry. I could use that as my woods carry as well, but I don't. I go to my Ruger SRH in .44 magnum just because it affords more reliable stopping power especially for black bear.

The .45 ACP is a great round for daily carry against people. Yes, it has killed bears when it had to, but it is all about reliability every time that counts. I hope I never need to test these theories, but it is readily available.

We were up the St Joe river yesterday past Avery and took a little gander into the woods. I actually had both the SP101 in pocket carry as I always do and my .44 magnum in cross carry bandolier style. There was also 4 of us in the group. If the ONLY gun you have is a .45 ACP, load it up with the best hardcast bullet you can find. Otherwise, get a good woods gun, at minimum in .357 magnum.

[Don Glock]

if it meets advertised velocities, it would be a good 45acp bear round. you want penetration to get through those layers of fat.

however, i would not fire it out of a pistol with an unsupported chamber.