A SMLElly poster

Oleg Volk · April 21, 2001, 02:00 PM

Larger http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/lifesavers/haven.jpg

Something for Mothers' Day parade. Kinda "gun-free safe zone" in reverse. Hope that doesn't end up in anti literature as "2km threat"...but THAT would wake up hunters.

Paul K · April 21, 2001, 03:02 PM

Another great one from Oleg.
I like the close up of the sights/recever thing.
I like the picture in black in white too. the black complments the rifle. Good job!

Spectre · April 21, 2001, 03:06 PM

I like it.

Thibault · April 21, 2001, 03:17 PM

I'm an Enfield fan, I love it!

mussi · April 21, 2001, 03:32 PM

Oleg, you once said you'd make a poster featuring a Schmidt-Rubin K31,
don't you remember?

Oleg Volk · April 21, 2001, 03:34 PM

This came from a friend:

Quote:

Normally I love the fact that your models look like "real people" and not like models. However, this one bothers me because something about the pose makes her look like all the terrible stereotypes of trailer trash redneck gun owners. Please, please, please bury the damn thing before it comes back to haunt us.

It is a preceptive statement (the person depicted lives in a trailer) but I wonder if it is relevant. I am of opinion that it isn't but will take suggestions.

-------
mussi,

I will make a poster for you when I visit my friend the collector (later in May): he has several of those rifles and will sit for a photo.

**Mike Irwin** · April 21, 2001, 04:01 PM

"Gun free zone in reverse..."

Yep, in machine gunner parlance it's called the beaten zone.

Mort · April 21, 2001, 05:43 PM

Perhaps the bandoleer gives that impression, Oleg. Otherwise, could the protest stem from the model's size? If so, that's rather a limited viewpoint. She looks more like a flower child to me.

Oleg Volk · April 21, 2001, 05:46 PM

The model is probably 250-300lbs and perfectly happy about it. I suspect that not all folks at the range are fit and trim...nor are all antis. I did request that the person I photograph on Monday dress up as if for an interview: would be nice add more formal images.

Please explain the comment about bandoleer: how is it a cliche?

Dave R · April 21, 2001, 05:49 PM

Methinks Mort has a good idea. Delete the bandolier (which is a real cliche) and add flowers. Resonance to the famous old photo of the flower child putting daiseys in the barrel of the National Guard rifle (btw, violates safe gun handling). Evolution of the flower child.

AnotherPundit · April 21, 2001, 06:08 PM

Hrm. . my first thought was that the problem was the model in question looked too . ..well, for lack of a better word, dour. But then I realized that a gleeful smile might upset people, too. .

Perhaps a bit of setting or background would help -- I'm not sure. I think it's definitely the right model, and the right message, I'm just not sure . . hrm. I don't know. It's missing something, but I can't say what, so I'm not exactly being very helpful, am I? heh.

Perhaps seated instead of standing?

Mort · April 21, 2001, 06:14 PM

Well, one of the traditional stereotypes of the redneck gun-toter is that he (she) is wearing crossed bandoleers. This is just one bandoleer, but it makes all the difference as to perception.

Libertarian · April 21, 2001, 06:49 PM

My first thought on seeing this poster was "Mama Cass with an attitude".

Personally, I don't like the bandoleer either. But all in all, it is a good photo.

Tommy.Gun · April 21, 2001, 07:55 PM

I don't know either Oleg, And man I hate telling ya that..

Oleg Volk · April 21, 2001, 08:25 PM

Thanks for the advice. Guess this poster gets re-worked or scrapped.

IronBalls · April 21, 2001, 08:30 PM

If i wasnt married... yeouzhaa

Jim V · April 21, 2001, 08:51 PM

I just gotta get my eyes checked, I thought it said SMILEY poster.

Don't dump the poster Oleg, change the bandoleer to a garland of flowers perhaps.

Tommy.Gun · April 21, 2001, 09:02 PM

Oleg, I have looked at all your work on your web site. I can say and I think all here will agree with me. 99.9% of what you do is great right from the start. Once and awile , well .. so what.

Just the fact that you come here to TFL for feedback, I think makes us all proud..

JerryB · April 21, 2001, 09:35 PM

Muzzle control. I'd much rather see the rifle pointing down, but that might look too much like a low ready postion.

My first impression of the model is that she's someone who lives in the boonies and has quite a bit of land with livestock to protect, and maybe do some hunting. It appears that she has choosen a tool carefully for it's versitility for both long and short range use.

I love the closeup of the sight. It clearly explains the text to a neophite like me who's unfamilure with SMLE's. (BTW, what does SMLE stand for? [uh-oh, did I just open a can of worms?

])

Jerry out.

**Mike Irwin** · April 21, 2001, 11:09 PM

Jerry,

No can of worms at all.

SMLE stands for Short Magazine, Lee Enfield.

The SMLE was first adopted in 1902 as the Rifle No. 1, SMLE, Mark I.

Prior to that time, two rifles had been made and issued to troops, a long-barrel rifle, and a short-barrel (and shorter overall) carbine. The rifle was issued to infantry troops, while the carbine was issued to cavalry and others who needed a lighter, smaller weapon.

The SMLE was an attempt to standardize rifle issue across the military and do away with the need to supply two distinctly different weapons.

This wasn't unique to the British, either. Most nations used to issue rifles to infantry and carbines (both in the same caliber, though) to other troops. The United States dropped this practice I think when it adopted the Krag Jorgenson, but it may have gone on through to the adoption of the 1903 rifle.

The US semi-reinvented this practice when it adopted the M 1 carbine for issue to non-infantry troops (even though many M 1 carbines made it to front-line infantry troops).

Halfpint · April 22, 2001, 01:53 AM

I didn't know you'd been out here to Colorado to visit recently!? That woman looks almost exactly like one of my neighbors. (And she's a `real corker' to boot! {GRIN!} I wouldn't be at all surprised if, after I take it over to show it to her, that she pulls a SMLE almost identical to that one out of one of her closets. Probably was her father's to begin with.) Great poster no matter what some people have been saying. Yet another one added to my ever expanding collection. {CHORTLE!}

Hal · April 22, 2001, 07:08 AM

Jim V,
So did I. Durned 1024X768 resolution.

gitarmac · April 22, 2001, 04:22 PM

Any chick holding a gun is cute!

nwgunman · April 23, 2001, 12:20 AM

Heck, around this area any gal under 300 IS "svelte"... so what tha heck.

Thibault · April 23, 2001, 09:31 AM

Sorry Oleg, but on second thoughts, I have to agree the bandoleer is... well... it could really be replaced with flowers...

Really love your work, I spent the afternoon going through it yesterday.

Libertarian: "Mama Cass with an attitude".
Bwahahahahahahaha! ROTFLMAO!

April 21, 2001, 03:32 PM	#5
mussi Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2000 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 757	You still owe me a poster... Oleg, you once said you'd make a poster featuring a Schmidt-Rubin K31, don't you remember?

April 21, 2001, 04:01 PM	#7
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,642	"Gun free zone in reverse..." Yep, in machine gunner parlance it's called the beaten zone. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 21, 2001, 09:35 PM	#19
JerryB Member Join Date: November 8, 2000 Location: Torrance, CA USA Posts: 30	Just one thing bothers me... Muzzle control. I'd much rather see the rifle pointing down, but that might look too much like a low ready postion. My first impression of the model is that she's someone who lives in the boonies and has quite a bit of land with livestock to protect, and maybe do some hunting. It appears that she has choosen a tool carefully for it's versitility for both long and short range use. I love the closeup of the sight. It clearly explains the text to a neophite like me who's unfamilure with SMLE's. (BTW, what does SMLE stand for? [uh-oh, did I just open a can of worms?]) Jerry out.

April 21, 2001, 11:09 PM	#20
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,642	Jerry, No can of worms at all. SMLE stands for Short Magazine, Lee Enfield. The SMLE was first adopted in 1902 as the Rifle No. 1, SMLE, Mark I. Prior to that time, two rifles had been made and issued to troops, a long-barrel rifle, and a short-barrel (and shorter overall) carbine. The rifle was issued to infantry troops, while the carbine was issued to cavalry and others who needed a lighter, smaller weapon. The SMLE was an attempt to standardize rifle issue across the military and do away with the need to supply two distinctly different weapons. This wasn't unique to the British, either. Most nations used to issue rifles to infantry and carbines (both in the same caliber, though) to other troops. The United States dropped this practice I think when it adopted the Krag Jorgenson, but it may have gone on through to the adoption of the 1903 rifle. The US semi-reinvented this practice when it adopted the M 1 carbine for issue to non-infantry troops (even though many M 1 carbines made it to front-line infantry troops). __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 22, 2001, 04:22 PM	#23
gitarmac Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2000 Posts: 358	Well I think shes cute! Any chick holding a gun is cute!

April 21, 2001, 02:00 PM	#1
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Larger http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/lifesavers/haven.jpg Something for Mothers' Day parade. Kinda "gun-free safe zone" in reverse. Hope that doesn't end up in anti literature as "2km threat"...but THAT would wake up hunters.

April 21, 2001, 03:02 PM	#2
Paul K Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 674	Another great one from Oleg. I like the close up of the sights/recever thing. I like the picture in black in white too. the black complments the rifle. Good job!

April 21, 2001, 03:06 PM	#3
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	I like it.

April 21, 2001, 03:17 PM	#4
Thibault Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2000 Location: Middle of nowhere, Northern Quebec Posts: 336	I'm an Enfield fan, I love it!

April 21, 2001, 05:43 PM	#8
Mort Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 1998 Posts: 479	Perhaps the bandoleer gives that impression, Oleg. Otherwise, could the protest stem from the model's size? If so, that's rather a limited viewpoint. She looks more like a flower child to me.

April 21, 2001, 05:46 PM	#9
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	The model is probably 250-300lbs and perfectly happy about it. I suspect that not all folks at the range are fit and trim...nor are all antis. I did request that the person I photograph on Monday dress up as if for an interview: would be nice add more formal images. Please explain the comment about bandoleer: how is it a cliche?

April 21, 2001, 05:49 PM	#10
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	Methinks Mort has a good idea. Delete the bandolier (which is a real cliche) and add flowers. Resonance to the famous old photo of the flower child putting daiseys in the barrel of the National Guard rifle (btw, violates safe gun handling). Evolution of the flower child.

April 21, 2001, 06:08 PM	#11
AnotherPundit Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2001 Posts: 487	Hrm. . my first thought was that the problem was the model in question looked too . ..well, for lack of a better word, dour. But then I realized that a gleeful smile might upset people, too. . Perhaps a bit of setting or background would help -- I'm not sure. I think it's definitely the right model, and the right message, I'm just not sure . . hrm. I don't know. It's missing something, but I can't say what, so I'm not exactly being very helpful, am I? heh. Perhaps seated instead of standing?

April 21, 2001, 06:14 PM	#12
Mort Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 1998 Posts: 479	Well, one of the traditional stereotypes of the redneck gun-toter is that he (she) is wearing crossed bandoleers. This is just one bandoleer, but it makes all the difference as to perception.

April 21, 2001, 06:49 PM	#13
Libertarian Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 1999 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 2,117	My first thought on seeing this poster was "Mama Cass with an attitude". Personally, I don't like the bandoleer either. But all in all, it is a good photo.

April 21, 2001, 07:55 PM	#14
Tommy.Gun Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2000 Posts: 548	I don't know either Oleg, And man I hate telling ya that..

April 21, 2001, 08:25 PM	#15
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Thanks for the advice. Guess this poster gets re-worked or scrapped.

April 21, 2001, 08:30 PM	#16
IronBalls Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2001 Location: Henderson NV Posts: 312	If i wasnt married... yeouzhaa

April 21, 2001, 08:51 PM	#17
Jim V Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 1999 Location: SE Michigan - USA Posts: 4,038	I just gotta get my eyes checked, I thought it said SMILEY poster. Don't dump the poster Oleg, change the bandoleer to a garland of flowers perhaps.

April 21, 2001, 09:02 PM	#18
Tommy.Gun Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2000 Posts: 548	Oleg, I have looked at all your work on your web site. I can say and I think all here will agree with me. 99.9% of what you do is great right from the start. Once and awile , well .. so what. Just the fact that you come here to TFL for feedback, I think makes us all proud..

April 22, 2001, 01:53 AM	#21
Halfpint Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 1999 Location: About to be gobbled up by "The People's Republic of Firestone"! Posts: 224	I didn't know you'd been out here to Colorado to visit recently!? That woman looks almost exactly like one of my neighbors. (And she's a `real corker' to boot! {GRIN!} I wouldn't be at all surprised if, after I take it over to show it to her, that she pulls a SMLE almost identical to that one out of one of her closets. Probably was her father's to begin with.) Great poster no matter what some people have been saying. Yet another one added to my ever expanding collection. {CHORTLE!}

April 22, 2001, 07:08 AM	#22
Hal Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 1998 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 8,565	Jim V, So did I. Durned 1024X768 resolution.

April 23, 2001, 12:20 AM	#24
nwgunman Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 1999 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 312	Heck, around this area any gal under 300 IS "svelte"... so what tha heck.

April 23, 2001, 09:31 AM	#25
Thibault Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2000 Location: Middle of nowhere, Northern Quebec Posts: 336	Sorry Oleg, but on second thoughts, I have to agree the bandoleer is... well... it could really be replaced with flowers... Really love your work, I spent the afternoon going through it yesterday. Libertarian: "Mama Cass with an attitude". Bwahahahahahahaha! ROTFLMAO!