New BushmasterC15 - Page 2

Quentin2 · July 5, 2013, 11:58 AM

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...I guess I just wanted to brag and share my purchase news and ask others what they think of the C15. I did see a very old (2010) thread so was hoping for updated opinions...

Well you did ask for opinions!

Sorry, hope you enjoy your rifle but when you ask for opinions on the C15 expect more of the same. Most C15 threads I can remember go south quick.

patriotic · July 5, 2013, 08:15 PM

http://www.bushmaster.com/electronic...rbonmodels.pdf

“carbon 15 material is 40% lighter and 40% stronger than aircraft aluminum”.

patriotic · July 5, 2013, 08:17 PM

http://www.bushmaster.com/electronic...rbonmodels.pdf

patriotic · July 5, 2013, 08:22 PM

check out the link from posting #9 - for some reason that one works even though the above links are copies. 40% lighter and 40% stronger than aircraft aluminum.

Quentin2 · July 6, 2013, 01:51 PM

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check out the link from posting #9 - for some reason that one works even though the above links are copies. 40% lighter and 40% stronger than aircraft aluminum.

Patriotic, the copied links don't work because this site truncates links in posts (so you can't copy&paste them directly, you have to click on the working hot link and then copy the full link that pops up in another tab). The one below was done in that manner and works.

BTW, we agree on a lot of things but I don't believe Bushamster's claims!

http://www.bushmaster.com/electronic...rbonmodels.pdf

MTL924 · October 1, 2013, 11:02 AM

I have recently purchased a carbor 15 as well and I am curretly looking for accessories to "trick" my purchase out more. I have read a number of posts stating that this AR is not mil spec and needs "special" accessories. Could someone point me in the correct direction of accessories for this "special" AR.

I was hoping to find a railed gas block, first and foremost.

Any other accessories will be concidered. Obviouly I am on a fixed budget and have to make my puchases wisely.

Thanks in advance!

PeteApps · October 1, 2013, 11:30 PM

I'm an new AR15 owner, and have founds lots of good info at this site

https://www.ar15.com/forums

Jim243 · October 2, 2013, 04:34 PM

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Could someone point me in the correct direction of accessories for this "special" AR.

Not true, it takes standard accessories used on any AR, the stock is a commercial size not a Mil-Spec that is the only difference I am aware of. If you are going to change out the barrel, you will need a different Barrel Nut to fit the Carbon Fiber upper. Otherwise all other parts are standard.

Jim

I changed out the stock, hand guard with a quad rail, pistol grip with a Houge, added a light holder and vertical grip, and bi-pod all standard parts.

Ritz · October 30, 2013, 01:38 PM

I just picked up a C-15 as well. I bought it on a whim for my wife (who is 5' and about 92lbs soaking wet) at a local gun show. The light weight suits her and I've not had any problems with it. I got the rifle, a couple of mags, Bushmaster's cheap red dot optics, and a decent soft "tactical" case for $700 out the door. I'm able to shoot fairly tight groups @ 50yds using the cheap red dot and cheap-o federal SS109 ammo. More importantly, my wife can shoot it without being paranoid about recoil so she's a lot more comfortable with it than she is with my lever action Winchester.

I did some research on "the problems" with them and they all seem to be from examples from a few years ago. Perhaps they've updated the design. Also, the only "non-standard" part I'm aware of is the special barrel nut.

Best,

BillyJack3 · November 1, 2013, 04:27 PM

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http://www.bushmaster.com/electronic...rbonmodels.pdf

“carbon 15 material is 40% lighter and 40% stronger than aircraft aluminum”.

Shipping companies need to be made aware of that little tid bit above...

Ritz · November 1, 2013, 05:34 PM

You can do that to an aluminum version pretty easily as well. That must have taken a pretty good shot on the delivery truck.

Feed "AR-15 cracked receiver" to google and you get a whole bunch of folks with metal receivers that cracked as well.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=AR-15+cracked+receiver

Hopefully, if there were any systemic problems, they've been corrected.

Best,

Ritz · November 2, 2013, 07:35 PM

So....I took her out to the range today for the first time. With the cheap-o red dot optics, I was getting groups that varied from 2-3" at 25yds. That's not bad considering that I was in a rush and had to use the range's mystery ammo (they didn't want anything to do with my 62gr SS109 rounds). I'll chalk most of that variation up to my aging eyes.

Cycled perfectly on the 200 or so rounds I put through it today. Not a single jam or misfire.

I'll see about getting some decent optics and I'll likely also replace the butt-stock with something from magpul.

Best,

gunrunner1 · November 4, 2013, 02:49 PM

My son bought three Carbon-15 rifles this past summer. He bought them for the grandkids, ages 9, 8 & 6, to use while hunting. With Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sights on them they are light enough for the grandkids to carry and shoot without becoming quickly fatigued.

The only problem we had was with one rifle. The buffer retaining pin and spring came out. The buffer tube would only screw in far enough to barely hold the pin in place. Just to be on the safe side, we replaced all of them with DPMS tubes that have the U-notch. Other than that one problem, the rifles work fine.

Fan45acp · November 10, 2013, 08:52 PM

The rail on top of the upper came loose on my C15. It has only one bolt to tighten the rail to the upper. I guess the C15 has its place. For me I'll use one made of metal. The C15 is just not very durable, at least mine wasn't. I would not recommend one for anyone.

Ritz · November 10, 2013, 11:20 PM

I put about 200 rounds through mine the other day and the rail is tight. What did you have mounted on it?

*shrug*

Chettt · November 11, 2013, 07:16 PM

$700 AR's will be worth $1500 to $2000 during the next shortage. Buy several.

Cy4ka · November 11, 2013, 08:31 PM

I had one I got for free but never fired it. I sold it and bought a gun actually made out of metal

But really the main manufacturing defect was fixed once Bushmaster bought them and re-vamped them. They used to fail at the end of the receiver from the buffer shock.

About the people saying it's stronger than metal: IT'S NOT. Well not on these in particular. It's because you dont' have carbon fibers in an oriented strand configuration (which is where the carbon fiber strength comes from). What you have are chopped up pieces mixed in with epoxy filler... so you have an EPOXY receiver that uses bits of carbon fiber mixed in with it for strength (like fiberglass and bondo).

These are fine if you aren't throwing them against rocks in Afghanistan and most people aren't. For an actual BATTLE rifle I would use something made of metal.

Ritz · November 11, 2013, 10:50 PM

I see plenty of people using those "plastic" Glocks. Those silly LEO and military types must be crazy.

Smith & Wesson M&P 45's must be junk too since they're also made out of polymer frames. ...yawn...times change. Should I post this all in bold?? Nah.

My C-15 is functioning like a champ.

Fishbed77 · November 11, 2013, 11:03 PM

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I see plenty of people using those "plastic" Glocks.

Glocks were designed to be made out of plastic. AR-15 receivers were not.

That said, for the range toy and hunting uses most of these rifles will be used for, they are probably just fine. I wouldn't count on it as a working or defensive carbine, though.

Ritz · November 12, 2013, 06:02 AM

*shrug*

You seem to have an axe to grind here. I'm confident that this "range toy" will continue to function as it is supposed to. The parts that NEED to be made out of metal are made out of metal.

Feel free to get in the last word. I'm done here.

Best,

Fishbed77 · November 12, 2013, 11:44 AM

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You seem to have an axe to grind here.

No axe to grind at all. Just stating a fact. I'm sorry that you feel you have to run off after making an inaccurate analogy that you can't defend.

As I said, the plastic receivers can have their place (though considering how cheaply 7075 forged aluminum receivers can be found these days, I wouldn't consider one).

.

Justice06RR · November 13, 2013, 12:11 AM

Ritz, none of us have an axe to grind here.

If you like your C15 and have no issues with it, that's awesome. But it remains a fact that US military doesn't issue polymer or carbon M4/M16's for a reason.

For range/plinking/civilian use, the C15 is fine.

I will tell you from experience that I owned a polymer ATI complete lower receiver last year. It was a decent lower, but I had the same issues with the buffer area where the receiver extension/tube threads to the lower. It would consistenly get loose over time because of the polymer threads. I recently sold it to someone who wanted to build a lightweight AR15 for his wife.

Now I do own a polymer M&P15-22 and it has worked flawlessly for hundreds of rounds.

October 30, 2013, 01:38 PM	#34
Ritz Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 283	I just picked up a C-15 as well. I bought it on a whim for my wife (who is 5' and about 92lbs soaking wet) at a local gun show. The light weight suits her and I've not had any problems with it. I got the rifle, a couple of mags, Bushmaster's cheap red dot optics, and a decent soft "tactical" case for $700 out the door. I'm able to shoot fairly tight groups @ 50yds using the cheap red dot and cheap-o federal SS109 ammo. More importantly, my wife can shoot it without being paranoid about recoil so she's a lot more comfortable with it than she is with my lever action Winchester. I did some research on "the problems" with them and they all seem to be from examples from a few years ago. Perhaps they've updated the design. Also, the only "non-standard" part I'm aware of is the special barrel nut. Best, Last edited by Ritz; October 30, 2013 at 01:45 PM.

November 1, 2013, 05:34 PM	#36
Ritz Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 283	You can do that to an aluminum version pretty easily as well. That must have taken a pretty good shot on the delivery truck. Feed "AR-15 cracked receiver" to google and you get a whole bunch of folks with metal receivers that cracked as well. http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=AR-15+cracked+receiver Hopefully, if there were any systemic problems, they've been corrected. Best, Last edited by Ritz; November 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM.

July 5, 2013, 08:15 PM	#27
patriotic Member Join Date: November 22, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 83	http://www.bushmaster.com/electronic...rbonmodels.pdf “carbon 15 material is 40% lighter and 40% stronger than aircraft aluminum”.

July 5, 2013, 08:17 PM	#28
patriotic Member Join Date: November 22, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 83	http://www.bushmaster.com/electronic...rbonmodels.pdf

July 5, 2013, 08:22 PM	#29
patriotic Member Join Date: November 22, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 83	check out the link from posting #9 - for some reason that one works even though the above links are copies. 40% lighter and 40% stronger than aircraft aluminum.

October 1, 2013, 11:02 AM	#31
MTL924 Junior Member Join Date: October 1, 2013 Posts: 1	I have recently purchased a carbor 15 as well and I am curretly looking for accessories to "trick" my purchase out more. I have read a number of posts stating that this AR is not mil spec and needs "special" accessories. Could someone point me in the correct direction of accessories for this "special" AR. I was hoping to find a railed gas block, first and foremost. Any other accessories will be concidered. Obviouly I am on a fixed budget and have to make my puchases wisely. Thanks in advance!

October 1, 2013, 11:30 PM	#32
PeteApps Member Join Date: September 6, 2013 Location: Meridian, ID Posts: 36	I'm an new AR15 owner, and have founds lots of good info at this site https://www.ar15.com/forums

November 2, 2013, 07:35 PM	#37
Ritz Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 283	So....I took her out to the range today for the first time. With the cheap-o red dot optics, I was getting groups that varied from 2-3" at 25yds. That's not bad considering that I was in a rush and had to use the range's mystery ammo (they didn't want anything to do with my 62gr SS109 rounds). I'll chalk most of that variation up to my aging eyes. Cycled perfectly on the 200 or so rounds I put through it today. Not a single jam or misfire. I'll see about getting some decent optics and I'll likely also replace the butt-stock with something from magpul. Best,

November 4, 2013, 02:49 PM	#38
gunrunner1 Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 111	My son bought three Carbon-15 rifles this past summer. He bought them for the grandkids, ages 9, 8 & 6, to use while hunting. With Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sights on them they are light enough for the grandkids to carry and shoot without becoming quickly fatigued. The only problem we had was with one rifle. The buffer retaining pin and spring came out. The buffer tube would only screw in far enough to barely hold the pin in place. Just to be on the safe side, we replaced all of them with DPMS tubes that have the U-notch. Other than that one problem, the rifles work fine.

November 10, 2013, 08:52 PM	#39
Fan45acp Member Join Date: December 14, 2009 Location: Texas,USA Posts: 42	The rail on top of the upper came loose on my C15. It has only one bolt to tighten the rail to the upper. I guess the C15 has its place. For me I'll use one made of metal. The C15 is just not very durable, at least mine wasn't. I would not recommend one for anyone.

November 10, 2013, 11:20 PM	#40
Ritz Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 283	I put about 200 rounds through mine the other day and the rail is tight. What did you have mounted on it? shrug

November 11, 2013, 07:16 PM	#41
Chettt Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2006 Posts: 238	$700 AR's will be worth $1500 to $2000 during the next shortage. Buy several.

November 11, 2013, 08:31 PM	#42
Cy4ka Member Join Date: December 19, 2012 Posts: 39	I had one I got for free but never fired it. I sold it and bought a gun actually made out of metal But really the main manufacturing defect was fixed once Bushmaster bought them and re-vamped them. They used to fail at the end of the receiver from the buffer shock. About the people saying it's stronger than metal: IT'S NOT. Well not on these in particular. It's because you dont' have carbon fibers in an oriented strand configuration (which is where the carbon fiber strength comes from). What you have are chopped up pieces mixed in with epoxy filler... so you have an EPOXY receiver that uses bits of carbon fiber mixed in with it for strength (like fiberglass and bondo). These are fine if you aren't throwing them against rocks in Afghanistan and most people aren't. For an actual BATTLE rifle I would use something made of metal.

November 11, 2013, 10:50 PM	#43
Ritz Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 283	I see plenty of people using those "plastic" Glocks. Those silly LEO and military types must be crazy. Smith & Wesson M&P 45's must be junk too since they're also made out of polymer frames. ...yawn...times change. Should I post this all in bold?? Nah. My C-15 is functioning like a champ.

November 12, 2013, 06:02 AM	#45
Ritz Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 283	shrug You seem to have an axe to grind here. I'm confident that this "range toy" will continue to function as it is supposed to. The parts that NEED to be made out of metal are made out of metal. Feel free to get in the last word. I'm done here. Best,

November 13, 2013, 12:11 AM	#47
Justice06RR Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2010 Location: Central FL Posts: 1,360	Ritz, none of us have an axe to grind here. If you like your C15 and have no issues with it, that's awesome. But it remains a fact that US military doesn't issue polymer or carbon M4/M16's for a reason. For range/plinking/civilian use, the C15 is fine. I will tell you from experience that I owned a polymer ATI complete lower receiver last year. It was a decent lower, but I had the same issues with the buffer area where the receiver extension/tube threads to the lower. It would consistenly get loose over time because of the polymer threads. I recently sold it to someone who wanted to build a lightweight AR15 for his wife. Now I do own a polymer M&P15-22 and it has worked flawlessly for hundreds of rounds.