XDs 9mm vs PPS 9mm capacities

ScotchMan · June 21, 2013, 10:32 AM

Hoping someone can clear up a question for me.

The Springfield XDs 9mm and Walther PPS 9mm, both with the flush-fitting magazines, have the following published dimensions.

OAL: 6.3"
Height: 4.4"
Width: 0.9"

Identical dimensions. However, the XDs holds 7 rounds of 9mm, and the PPS holds 6 rounds (again, with the flush-fitting magazines).

What is this black magic? How does the XDs fit an extra round in? Initially my thought was that the "width" is not actually the same, that the XDs must be a little wider. Maybe the PPS publishes the spec including the levers, and the Springfield doesn't?

Anyone have experience with both guns that can chime in?

SoilworK777 · June 21, 2013, 11:26 AM

Posted capacity could be wrong. Info on the full size CZ-75 mag capacity was wrong for awhile. The guns holds 16 rounds, but specs said 15.

Vermonter · June 21, 2013, 12:28 PM

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527004

That is my write up on the xds. I can confirm that the flush fit mag in mine holds 7 rounds. I cannot compare it to the PPS as I do not own one nor have I ever fired one.

Regards, Vermonter

ScotchMan · June 21, 2013, 01:40 PM

I read your review, thanks. I'm pretty sure there are no typos anywhere, just possibly a discrepancy in how dimensions are measured. If they really are identical, that's a strong selling point for an upgrade...

Vermonter · June 21, 2013, 04:15 PM

When I get home later. I don't have a caliper or anything but I can get close. To me the difference in measurement would be the height. Perhaps the xds mag is a better design or a different spring/follower.

I can tell you that it isn't using width in the mag to make up for anything as it is absolutely single stack.

Regards, Vermonter

kinoons · June 21, 2013, 05:09 PM

Is the XDs 6+1 to get to seven, or is it 7+1 when fully loaded? The PPS is 6+1 when fully loaded.

Pilot · June 21, 2013, 05:23 PM

The 9MM XDs is a 7 + 1 pistol. The flush fit mag holds 7 rounds compared to the PPS's 6 rounds.

ScotchMan · June 21, 2013, 10:02 PM

Yeah its a 6+1 vs. 7+1 thing. If the spring and follower are making the difference, I want an improved PPS mag

Vermonter · June 22, 2013, 05:34 PM

No caliper but xds matches every spec online as far as I can tell. I think It's a better mag design.

ScotchMan · June 23, 2013, 03:26 PM

Well, I found this video online, the below link starts at the part of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...lGsTRFU#t=299s

He says and does a lot of stupid things, but at the end he holds the XDs *sort of* next to the PPS. I am confident based on other reviews that the .45 and 9mm XDs are the same size (you can watch the hickok45 review of the 9mm to confirm that).

And it appears in the video that the PPS is quite a bit thinner.

If that is the case, it could be as I suggested, that the PPS is measured across the levers, and the XDs is measured without the levers, to get to the 0.9" number. If the PPS is a little thinner, that would explain the reduction in capacity.

June 21, 2013, 10:32 AM	#1
ScotchMan Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2011 Posts: 1,368	XDs 9mm vs PPS 9mm capacities Hoping someone can clear up a question for me. The Springfield XDs 9mm and Walther PPS 9mm, both with the flush-fitting magazines, have the following published dimensions. OAL: 6.3" Height: 4.4" Width: 0.9" Identical dimensions. However, the XDs holds 7 rounds of 9mm, and the PPS holds 6 rounds (again, with the flush-fitting magazines). What is this black magic? How does the XDs fit an extra round in? Initially my thought was that the "width" is not actually the same, that the XDs must be a little wider. Maybe the PPS publishes the spec including the levers, and the Springfield doesn't? Anyone have experience with both guns that can chime in?

June 21, 2013, 12:28 PM	#3
Vermonter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Posts: 962	I have an xds http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527004 That is my write up on the xds. I can confirm that the flush fit mag in mine holds 7 rounds. I cannot compare it to the PPS as I do not own one nor have I ever fired one. Regards, Vermonter

June 21, 2013, 04:15 PM	#5
Vermonter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Posts: 962	I can measure When I get home later. I don't have a caliper or anything but I can get close. To me the difference in measurement would be the height. Perhaps the xds mag is a better design or a different spring/follower. I can tell you that it isn't using width in the mag to make up for anything as it is absolutely single stack. Regards, Vermonter

June 22, 2013, 05:34 PM	#9
Vermonter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Posts: 962	Measured No caliper but xds matches every spec online as far as I can tell. I think It's a better mag design.

June 21, 2013, 11:26 AM	#2
SoilworK777 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 247	Posted capacity could be wrong. Info on the full size CZ-75 mag capacity was wrong for awhile. The guns holds 16 rounds, but specs said 15.

June 21, 2013, 01:40 PM	#4
ScotchMan Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2011 Posts: 1,368	I read your review, thanks. I'm pretty sure there are no typos anywhere, just possibly a discrepancy in how dimensions are measured. If they really are identical, that's a strong selling point for an upgrade...

June 21, 2013, 05:09 PM	#6
kinoons Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2008 Location: las vegas, NV Posts: 409	Is the XDs 6+1 to get to seven, or is it 7+1 when fully loaded? The PPS is 6+1 when fully loaded.

June 21, 2013, 05:23 PM	#7
Pilot Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2000 Posts: 4,193	The 9MM XDs is a 7 + 1 pistol. The flush fit mag holds 7 rounds compared to the PPS's 6 rounds.

June 21, 2013, 10:02 PM	#8
ScotchMan Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2011 Posts: 1,368	Yeah its a 6+1 vs. 7+1 thing. If the spring and follower are making the difference, I want an improved PPS mag

June 23, 2013, 03:26 PM	#10
ScotchMan Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2011 Posts: 1,368	Well, I found this video online, the below link starts at the part of interest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...lGsTRFU#t=299s He says and does a lot of stupid things, but at the end he holds the XDs sort of next to the PPS. I am confident based on other reviews that the .45 and 9mm XDs are the same size (you can watch the hickok45 review of the 9mm to confirm that). And it appears in the video that the PPS is quite a bit thinner. If that is the case, it could be as I suggested, that the PPS is measured across the levers, and the XDs is measured without the levers, to get to the 0.9" number. If the PPS is a little thinner, that would explain the reduction in capacity.