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Old June 29, 2011, 10:54 AM   #30
BGutzman
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I am just wondering on how you view this as an attack on the "right to bear arms," when it is only cataloging what types of guns are made and what their markings are. For one it is not as if they are tracking down every single person that has a gun and taking it from them.

In ballistic crimes, especially murders, the IBIS would be used to narrow down the suspects they already have. Say they have 4 suspects in a murder case and two have registered guns, both of which do not fit within the range the IBIS and the Ballistic expert has given. Whereas out of the other two suspects one is more plausible then the other to have committed the crime, and if they are fast enough on the case (and if the suspect hasn't has time to get rid of the gun) then they could gain a warrant and take them to court.
Also you cannot compare the freedom of speech and the right to bear arms, it’s not proportional. Speeches don't kill people, guns can (depending on who is controlling them at the time.) Religions would be considered a motive within crimes (primarily found in family related crimes.)
You say free speech isn’t proportional (nor do I see a requirement for it to be proportional in the Bill of Rights" as the words “Shall not be infringed” do not imply any sort of proportional interpretation) because it doesn’t kill and yet I would argue that it can and does. Hitler certainly used speech to incite people to commit horrible crimes and yelling "Fire" inside a packed building can yield the same result on a much smaller scale.

Look at certain un-named groups in the Middle East who promote a line of thought using speech that directly results in violence with a religious or secular theme.... (Im not debating these themes simply highlighting that speech can certainly be used as a weapon)

Further the owning of a firearm in no way entitles the state to presume it is going to be used for some crime, indeed if were to presume things are going to be used for crimes then maybe we should also include cars and maybe we should profile the bumpers in case we have a hit and run. What you end up with quite quickly is an almost endless list of thing that can cause harm and it’s simply not possible to track all of them individually. Further cars are not protected by specific mention in the Bill of Rights and "Arms" are....One might even be able to make the case that "Arms" could or might include a greater range of weapons than just guns... It might include knives and it might include all varieties of weapons or a greater scope than just firearms....

If we look at it statically Cars and Household poisons (each individually) end up killing more Americans each year than all gun incidents of any kind.

Statistically about 1/3 of all "gun crimes" are actually suicide lumped in with justified force, accidents and violent actions which are all termed as a crime by the antis.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

You have to be very careful about laws and restrictions.... they have a way of making you less free... and no better protected..
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