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The reason I bring these examples up is because these people I mentioned, the recovering alcoholic, the war vet, and the person on medication are doing and have done something FOR us. They helped themselves for us as well as themselves. We might want to give them some thought.
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This is a very good point, cvc944. It doesn't speak to the law, but it does speak to the ethical basis of law, which is easily forgotten in the welter of fear and rage in which these conversations often take place. Thank you for this.