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Old January 13, 2013, 04:15 PM   #33
Pond, James Pond
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Nope, I'm pointing out that lack of the right to carry a firearm for self defense most certainly leads to increased possibility of being murdered, if the motivations are there.
That is ludicrously simplistic.

Jamaica allows people to own guns.
Do you really want to see if they have a low murder rate?

Try this one on for size and see if it fits your formula:

I've just looked at United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime data for murders between 95 and 2011.

I picked a year that had data for several particular countries for direct comparison. The year is 2006. It was the latest with data for all.

In that year the British Virgin Islands got 8.6 murders per 100000, the US Virgin Islands got 39.2.

The USA got 4.8, Estonia (where I live and where SD firearms are permitted) got 6.8 and UK got 1.5.

Jamaica had 49.7.

Do you really want to keep beating this drum?
BTW, I've still not seen an answer to my earlier question.
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