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Old February 2, 2013, 08:07 PM   #97
mbrittb00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotchMan
OP, you really need to take a class or read a book on terminal ballistics. Then draw your own conclusions. I will summarize what I learned:

1) All handguns suck at stopping determined aggressors.
2) All handguns SUCK at stopping determined aggressors.
3) If you're going to get around handguns sucking, you MUST hit the central nervous system (CNS) or brain. Alternatively you can hope for the criminal to bleed out, which can take many minutes or hours. If you hit a major artery like the aorta, this can be reduced to seconds.
4) Everything you want to hit is basically in the center chest area, and if you miss the CNS, there's lots of good blood vessels there.
5) Caliber doesn't matter. You want to penetrate deeply enough to reach organs, which is why everyone doesn't use a .17. .380 from directly facing someone is exactly as effective as .45ACP at immediately stopping someone. Either you hit what you need to hit, or you don't.

To distill it down even further:

1) Handguns suck.
2) Shot placement is literally all that matters assuming your bullet penetrates deeply enough to hit organs.

Why do police carry .40? Marketing, and a lack of knowledge. You'd be amazed how little research into terminal ballistics is done by police and militaries making decisions.
So, basically caliber does matter, but just not once you pass into the 9mm range.


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Originally Posted by TheDoubleDeuce
In case 100+ posts on this topic aren't enough, here are even more topics from the forum specifically discussing 9mm vs .40 for CCW:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324542
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235041
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462024
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460796

I would have thought these would come up in a search to spare us another caliber war...
I did apologize previously for not doing a through enough search the first time. Being new to the whole gun community I had no idea that this was such a hotly debated issue.

Also, if they were so easy to find, maybe next time with your first post, you might want to trying being nice and include the easy to find links rather than being a smart alec.

Finally, if you don't want to be involved in another "caliber war", then don't. No one has forced you to post 4 times in this thread.
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