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Brit · November 7, 2008, 11:55 PM

There is no need to get excited over ways and means of deploying a concealed handgun in a criminal threat, the overwhelming way that is done is in no shots fired situations.

A threat is perceived as being imminent (sometimes in error!) CCW gun drawn, and pointed, words spoken (or not) threat legs it!

I am sure many readers on the Firing Line have done just that.

Some shoot outs are classic, and not always fair! A good friend of mine whilst in the RUC in Belfast (7 years RUC, after 15 in 42 Commando) was part of a foot patrol in a Hospital.

His squadie partner for the day was a not so young trooper, a panicky nurse told them two masked gunmen had robbed the post office (it was in the Hospital) Des was armed with a concealed PP Walther in .380, and a Sterling Sub Gun in 9mm.

His buddy for the day, with a Browning Hi Power, also in 9mm, they sent the nurse on her way, on hearing running boots, the Soldier stepped around a corner gun at eye level, fired two shots. Des said one died at the scene, the other a little later. Ammo; mil spec, hard ball that came in wee 64 round boxes, both wounds through and through.

A tiled wall and floor environment not sub gun territory. No challenge issued.

WHERE WE LIVE THERE ARE SHOOTINGS, THE GANG BANGERS SHOOT EACH OTHER, CRIMINALS DO HOME INVASIONS.

The only civilian use to defeat criminals was a slick drawn .45 Colt deployed by a robbery victim in a Sub Shop in South Florida, by a 72 year old retired Chopper Pilot he shot both young men who had revolvers in their hands, one DRT, the other survived. The victim had given up his wallet, and reacted to a push in the direction of the washroom.

Even with the huge amount of carry permits here in Florida, shootings by those CCW holders is a very rare event.

So teaching Zipper drills, and the like, interesting, not very practical in the historical deployment of guns, the better use of training time for CCW holders (IMHO) would be just a whole bunch of draw and fire, draw and no shots fired, at one cardboard image, 8ft away.

November 7, 2008, 11:55 PM	#114
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	Crime guns There is no need to get excited over ways and means of deploying a concealed handgun in a criminal threat, the overwhelming way that is done is in no shots fired situations. A threat is perceived as being imminent (sometimes in error!) CCW gun drawn, and pointed, words spoken (or not) threat legs it! I am sure many readers on the Firing Line have done just that. Some shoot outs are classic, and not always fair! A good friend of mine whilst in the RUC in Belfast (7 years RUC, after 15 in 42 Commando) was part of a foot patrol in a Hospital. His squadie partner for the day was a not so young trooper, a panicky nurse told them two masked gunmen had robbed the post office (it was in the Hospital) Des was armed with a concealed PP Walther in .380, and a Sterling Sub Gun in 9mm. His buddy for the day, with a Browning Hi Power, also in 9mm, they sent the nurse on her way, on hearing running boots, the Soldier stepped around a corner gun at eye level, fired two shots. Des said one died at the scene, the other a little later. Ammo; mil spec, hard ball that came in wee 64 round boxes, both wounds through and through. A tiled wall and floor environment not sub gun territory. No challenge issued. WHERE WE LIVE THERE ARE SHOOTINGS, THE GANG BANGERS SHOOT EACH OTHER, CRIMINALS DO HOME INVASIONS. The only civilian use to defeat criminals was a slick drawn .45 Colt deployed by a robbery victim in a Sub Shop in South Florida, by a 72 year old retired Chopper Pilot he shot both young men who had revolvers in their hands, one DRT, the other survived. The victim had given up his wallet, and reacted to a push in the direction of the washroom. Even with the huge amount of carry permits here in Florida, shootings by those CCW holders is a very rare event. So teaching Zipper drills, and the like, interesting, not very practical in the historical deployment of guns, the better use of training time for CCW holders (IMHO) would be just a whole bunch of draw and fire, draw and no shots fired, at one cardboard image, 8ft away.