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Old March 28, 2005, 06:40 PM   #21
DmL5
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Join Date: June 26, 2004
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The caliber/round is totally secondary (good thing)
The 5.7 caliber is not secondary. Its the heart of the weapon. Without it you would lose these and others:

Low recoil
AP ability
Flat trajectory
High capacity


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It will never be the equal of the 5.56 at any range
Nor will any other practical pistol round fired from a reasonably-sized pistol.

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It relies on it's ability to easily put multiple rounds on target
It does not rely on that ability, although that ability is present. 90% of the shootings involved one round and the others involved a couple rounds.

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Rounds that penetrate less than 13" have been shown to be less than satisfactory in the real world.
The 5.7 has not proven less than satisfactory in the more than a dozen shootings. Anyone shot with it has dropped on the spot.

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There is too much chance of having to shoot through an arm into the chest, or through the width of the chest
A side shot increases the effectiveness of a round because from the side, multiple organs can be struck with one round. A shot through the hand would reduce penetration by probably 1-2 inches. The 5.7 would still get enough penetration and then some, provided a 9.4-inch thick target.

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Said it before.....the P90 is essentially worthless for civis, and purt near worthless even on full auto, *relative to* other carbine choices. It's fun. It's cute. It's got 50 rounds if you're LEO. But...It's a .22 magnum. If you need a carbine, grab an M4.
#1. No gun is worthless for civilians. And from what I make out, we are not talking civilian application. The P-90 isn't even publicly available at the moment, so there is no point at all arguing that.

#2. I take it from the .22Mag comparison that you didn't read my earlier post. It isn't a .22 Magnum at all. Out of the same barrel length it gets 700 fps better than a .22 Mag and the 5.7 has an entirely different bullet design.

#3. The advantages of the P-90 over the M4:

1/3 the recoil
Lightweight
High magazine capacity
Fully ambidextrous
Ergonomics
Size
Easily maintained
Won't overpenetrate target


The advantages of the M4 over the P-90:

More powerful

Which based on the shootings, wounding ability is not an issue with the P-90 anyway.

-DmL
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