I been doing what most of these guys are doing. But a box of the .45 cal XTPs HP bullets and a bag of .451/.454 sabot plastic cups and they are good deer hunting rounds. Zore them in at 100 yrds and take to the woods. Now that I mold my own bullets I will be trying them out this year in the plastic sabot for .45 cal bullets. Give it a try with about 80 to 100 grs of powder and I'm sure you'll like the results.