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Doc Intrepid · April 5, 2010, 10:13 AM

BlueTrain,

Here are a few quick Wiki's that provide background commentary on this discussion of treaties, beginning with (an interim) draft of one of the Treaties being discussed (date 2006):

See especially "Cluster 4" and "Cluster 7" discusses 'disarmament' -
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/20...is3335.doc.htm
(cited as footnote #5 in the IANSA Wiki, 2008)

Note in the third sentence where it states: "The draft was approved by a vote of 139 in favour to 1 against ( United States), with 24 abstentions (see Annex X)." (emphasis added)

The US representative to the UN at the time was this fellow -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton

A quick description of the benefits of such Treaties, courtesy of one of the architects -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Peters

And the organization working within the UN structure to promote such Treaties -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna..._on_Small_Arms
(see especially the footnotes.)

Anyone who thinks the entire Treaty issue is farfetched ought to read the history leading up to what occurred in Australia. Gun owners in Australia have gone on record noting that it did not occur overnight. Although no treaties were involved in that case, it may reasonably be inferred that IANSA is interested in pursuing similar outcomes more globally.

As to whether treaties such as the one above would be binding on US citizens or not, I suspect that there are very few precedents to examine.

FWIW.

April 5, 2010, 10:13 AM	#18
Doc Intrepid Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,037	Light background reading.... BlueTrain, Here are a few quick Wiki's that provide background commentary on this discussion of treaties, beginning with (an interim) draft of one of the Treaties being discussed (date 2006): See especially "Cluster 4" and "Cluster 7" discusses 'disarmament' - http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/20...is3335.doc.htm (cited as footnote #5 in the IANSA Wiki, 2008) Note in the third sentence where it states: "The draft was approved by a vote of 139 in favour to 1 against ( United States), with 24 abstentions (see Annex X)." (emphasis added) The US representative to the UN at the time was this fellow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton A quick description of the benefits of such Treaties, courtesy of one of the architects - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Peters And the organization working within the UN structure to promote such Treaties - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna..._on_Small_Arms (see especially the footnotes.) Anyone who thinks the entire Treaty issue is farfetched ought to read the history leading up to what occurred in Australia. Gun owners in Australia have gone on record noting that it did not occur overnight. Although no treaties were involved in that case, it may reasonably be inferred that IANSA is interested in pursuing similar outcomes more globally. As to whether treaties such as the one above would be binding on US citizens or not, I suspect that there are very few precedents to examine. FWIW. __________________ *Treat everyone you meet with dignity and respect....but have a plan to kill them just in case.* Last edited by Doc Intrepid; April 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM.