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ZeSpectre · February 16, 2009, 04:41 PM

To inject a note of real-world experience here.

I have not -personally- ever shot anyone (Thank the Maker) however, during my LE career I was present on more than one occasion when a firearm was used against a human being.

Theory is all well and good but I've seen, with my own eyes, the mess that .40 cal, 165gr, Winchester Ranger SXT rounds can make of a human being.

I've also seen what 165gr Federal HST will do, first to a car window, then to the guy behind said window.

Based on that knowledge I would recommend either one for SD carry.
(I carry Ranger in my gun which is about the highest recommendation I can give. Doesn't mean it's the absolute best but it's what I've chosen to trust)

As for Mark Milton's comments,
I saw a man who had taken 3 .45 ACP rounds in the leg and buttock. Not only did he not die, he refused to go to the hospital and just kept walking around his house pointing to the damage to his siding. I also saw a man who had taken 2 .357 Magnum rounds to his arm and walk himself to the ambulance and then to the hospital and he didn't even loose his arm.

Hits to extremities are rarely fatal unless a major vein or artery is cut.

February 16, 2009, 04:41 PM	#35
ZeSpectre Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,276	To inject a note of real-world experience here. I have not -personally- ever shot anyone (Thank the Maker) however, during my LE career I was present on more than one occasion when a firearm was used against a human being. Theory is all well and good but I've seen, with my own eyes, the mess that .40 cal, 165gr, Winchester Ranger SXT rounds can make of a human being. I've also seen what 165gr Federal HST will do, first to a car window, then to the guy behind said window. Based on that knowledge I would recommend either one for SD carry. (I carry Ranger in my gun which is about the highest recommendation I can give. Doesn't mean it's the absolute best but it's what I've chosen to trust) As for Mark Milton's comments, I saw a man who had taken 3 .45 ACP rounds in the leg and buttock. Not only did he not die, he refused to go to the hospital and just kept walking around his house pointing to the damage to his siding. I also saw a man who had taken 2 .357 Magnum rounds to his arm and walk himself to the ambulance and then to the hospital and he didn't even loose his arm. Hits to extremities are rarely fatal unless a major vein or artery is cut. Last edited by ZeSpectre; February 18, 2009 at 09:12 AM.