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Grubbylabs-I totally understand what you mean here. The two examples I gave were early on in her training (which is why she was pulling at the leash anyway). We're at the point now, where she walks loose leash (we could take her off and she'd stay beside me the entire way but it's against our community covenent). If I took her out today, there is no pulling, not for another dog, cat, bicycle, or as you mentioned T-bone. I respect where you were coming from as it sounded like our dog wasn't fully trained by the fact that she even attempted to slip her collar. As for the electric collars, though may have used them successfully, I don't agree with shocking a dog, I feel that there are other ways to train. Great post though, thanks for the input.
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