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Old November 6, 2004, 09:44 PM   #4
jwp
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depends on the subgun johnny, i have m11 with garrison very slow fire conversion and a 115 fmj with 4.3 bullseye is required for reliable operation, this is +p or +p+ depending on the load book

uzi eats them fine but i won't run these in 16
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