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Old September 1, 2008, 12:25 PM   #33
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Thank you Mr. Holmes;-) But, it appears from the test posted above, the .223 and 7.62 x 39 blow through IIIA. I suspect 182 grain ball, at 2600 fps would do the job. Also, a box of armour piercing would do for any body armour.
Soccrates, the North Hollywood bank robbers had added steel plates to their homemade armor, capable enough to stop .223 rounds. The vests were not just IIIa, but III. You started off by noting they were III, now you are saying IIIa. You realize that IIIa is the highest level of soft armor and III is the next higher level and involves hard armor, right?

And NO, a box of armor piercing ammo will not do it for any body armor. Level IV is specifically made to defeat AP ammo, up to 30.06 AP. That means your M1A in .308, even with AP ammo isn't going through Level IV.

Your beloved Linbaugh would not penetrate III or IV, even if you actually have started loading your cases with slugs, LOL.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DYING+...39;-a083864135

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That's why you hit them a couple of times or go with a gutshot where the plates don't cover. Though if you have 2+ officers shooting at a suspect with 30-06s, those plates won't past long. Plus the blunt force trauma will still hurt them to a degree.
...which is why US Soldiers are being targeted with head shots as their hard armor is stopping COC shots just fine, even from close range.

Here is a great example of Level IV armor at work...

http://passtheammo.com/2005/07/soldi...rvives-sniper/

And the sniper was using AP rounds according to the medic in his letter to Point Blank...
http://www.pointblankarmor.com/news.asp
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WATCH INCREDIBLE VIDEO OF U.S. ARMY SOLDIER (PFC. TSCHIDERER) SURVIVING A HIT FROM A SNIPER'S BULLET

The following is a letter of appreciation from PFC Stephen "Doc" Tschiderer, U.S. Army

Dear Point Blank,

First let me say thank you for saving my life!! I am forever grateful!!!! My name is PFC Stephen Tschiderer, and I am currently deployed to Bagdhad, Iraq. Yesterday, July 2, 2005, I was on patrol and while proving security around my Humvee, I was shot by a sniper. This sniper was useing a Draganov sniper rifle with AP rounds. The round struck me at an angle and did not come through the SAPI plate. Enclosed are some pics of the plate and what the round did to me, which thanks to you guys is only a small mark. My family and everyone that knows me sends our thanks and keep up the GREAT work.

THANK YOU AGAIN!!!
PFC Stephen “Doc” Tschiderer
E Troop 101 CAV 256BCT
Bagdhad, Iraq
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