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p99guy that still dosent change the fact that the gel tests i have seen, bare gell and 4 layer denim only show the ss195 civy round penetrating at maximum 9.9". That is not up to the fbi requirements for a capable fighting handgun. If i had a c hoice between that and 9x19 with fmj only, id take the 9x19 with confidence every day.
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