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Originally Posted by Kochamn
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If they were stopped from an FFL, and we expanded the FFL system to nearly everyone, it would be... Itopping them.
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Your second premise does not work. Simply passing a criminal prohibition cannot put "nearly" everyone through that system.
If criminal prohibition were the remedy, we already would not have a problem of prohibited persons with firearms, correct?
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Originally Posted by Kochamn
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Second, the possession of a firearm by a prohibited person is already illegal.
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Yes, pay attention to the 3rd specific charge... illegal purchase... that's different than illegal possession...
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Your extra charge did not escape my attention.
It really is not different. Where ever you find a prohibited person illegally possessing a firearm, you already have a charge. The manner by which he came by the item will already have been a crime.
What you would like to add to this formula is criminal liability for the seller, effectively drafting other individuals into the task of enforcing state prohibitions.
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Originally Posted by Kochamn
I've documented that 120k plus cases of stopping people had occured in that 2 year period, but you're saying it didn't stop anything?
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It would be easy to determine what I have written by scrolling up and reading it. I did not write that "it didn't stop anything"; I wrote that it denied an FFL transfer.
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Originally Posted by Kochamn
How does one document that a crime which never occured was prevented? You can't prove a negative.
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Indeed, that is a significant problem with the argument for your proposal.
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Originally Posted by Kochamn
The burden is minimal. I've done this 4473 so many times, I walk in and out within 20 minutes, every single time. That's nothing compared to a lifetime of gun ownership with that particular weapon.
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That you consider a purchase from an FFL minimal does not bind anyone else to the same conclusion.
As a practical matter and under your proposal, if I, an unlicensed individual, would like to purchase an item from an individual across the street from me, do I now have to participate in a three party transaction at somewhere other than one of our homes?
What if I would like to purchase from someone 200 miles away from me, but I am delayed, not denied. Do I now have to make that trip twice?