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if you are talking about the 9x23 winchester try dane burns website, he's one of the guru's of this caliber, there is another on, the guy who invented it, but i cannot remember his name, i do remember finding it by doing a search on dogpile listing 9x23 winchester as my query... i own a 9x23 winchester and love it, but as of yet i don't reload for it. i did hav ethe dies before i got the gun, just haven't gotten around to using them.
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