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well they were too short to get ahold of with anything so i tried grinding two sides flat to get ahold and that didnt work so i drilled a 1/16 hole as centered as i could and using a screw to bite into them with no luck so far even baked it in the oven at 250 for 30min (some people were not amused) have it soaking in kroil again guess i will try again tomorrow
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