It is the 4th die. It will move up and down in the the die with the crimp ring moving with it. It is stuck in the crimp ring. Have not thought about the ring being upside down, very good possibility. I was frustrated with the crimp I was getting when this happened. I will try 2x4 after I hear from Lee. And yes, it lifts my bench off the floor. I am traveling for a couple of days, will be at least Thursday before I can get back to it. Will post afterwards, thanks for all the replies.
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