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Raider2000 · February 20, 2008, 09:18 PM

Mac:
I was only havin a bit of fun, sorry friend..

As far as I know & have been already mentioned, the .30-30 Winchester & ofcorse the .30-40 Krag "or U.S." was not developed for Black Powder as both rounds were developed around 1892-93 when the first U.S. made smokeless powders were made available.

Copied from Wikkipedia:
The rimmed 30-40 round was also known as .30 Army. The .30-40 Krag was the first smokeless powder round adopted by the U.S. military, but it retained the "caliber-charge" naming system of earlier black powder cartridges, i.e., the .30-40 Krag employs a .30 caliber (7.62 mm) bullet propelled by 40 grains (2.59 g) of smokeless powder. As with the .30-30 Winchester, it is the use of black powder nomenclature that often leads to the incorrect assumption that the .30-40 Krag was once a black powder cartridge.

The .45 colt pistol Cartridge was loaded with 40gr. of FFG Black Powder till about 1894-96 Which many know is about when Colt changed the single screw that held the cylinder pin in place to the more common spring loaded cross bolt design.

February 20, 2008, 09:18 PM	#25
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Mac: I was only havin a bit of fun, sorry friend.. As far as I know & have been already mentioned, the .30-30 Winchester & ofcorse the .30-40 Krag "or U.S." was not developed for Black Powder as both rounds were developed around 1892-93 when the first U.S. made smokeless powders were made available. Copied from Wikkipedia: The rimmed 30-40 round was also known as .30 Army. The .30-40 Krag was the first smokeless powder round adopted by the U.S. military, but it retained the "caliber-charge" naming system of earlier black powder cartridges, i.e., the .30-40 Krag employs a .30 caliber (7.62 mm) bullet propelled by 40 grains (2.59 g) of smokeless powder. As with the .30-30 Winchester, it is the use of black powder nomenclature that often leads to the incorrect assumption that the .30-40 Krag was once a black powder cartridge. The .45 colt pistol Cartridge was loaded with 40gr. of FFG Black Powder till about 1894-96 Which many know is about when Colt changed the single screw that held the cylinder pin in place to the more common spring loaded cross bolt design.