Well, I'm a chamber stuffer I guess, if you want to call 35. grs. stuffing. My accuracy is just as good there as it is at 25 grs. I'm no paper puncher. To me there's nothing more boring but I consistently hit softball sized targets at 25 yds. with two 58's and a 60. Good enough for me. I'm sure there were some chamber stuffers back in the day too.