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Germany and France are nothing like the uk.
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Unless you are saying that France and Germany don't closely regulate the sale of ammo (reloading materials and components to be exact), which is what my comment was in relation to, then they are exactly the same.
Besides I said the more stringent countries, as in a collective that all have well regulated shooting sports. Even if they don't have as tight rules as the UK, their legislation can hardly be called relaxed....
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