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Old Dragoon · November 1, 2005, 10:48 PM

I have just purchased a Kirst Konverter in .44 Remington and I did buy a couple boxes of their ammo at River Junction. I have not recieved them yet. RJ is supposed to be carrying just the heeled bullets very soon also.

This is what I know about the original Remington's and the original Conversions in .44CF.

The Original 44 Remington were in actuality .451 bore converted to a 6 shot .44 cf (.451 Heeled, outside lubed)(some in .44RF, and .46 RF) cal cylinder (actually the cylinders, mostly, were the original cylinder with the nipple area machined off down to the pawl and another disc welded, or brazed on and then the chambers were drilled out to hold the .44 CF cartridge. Some were new made cylinders. There is enough meat between the chambers and the O.D. to allow for this.That is why the .44 is a six shot and I do believe the Kirst is a straight thru design. The originals that were converted to 45LC were a new 5 shot due to space between the chambers and the O.D. of the original cylinder controlled that.

The last Original Rem, 1858 Conversion I owned was a factory conversion in 44 CF, 6 shot complete with the ejector. This particular pistol had been issued in the Civil War with inspector marks all over it. It was sent back to the factory (or the S & W factory) for conversion and was nickled at time of conversion. Numbers all matching including the grips. I'm sure it saw action on the frontier also. It looked just like Remingtons advertisements of their factory conversions. Wish now I hadn't sold it. Drats!

November 1, 2005, 10:48 PM	#2
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	I have just purchased a Kirst Konverter in .44 Remington and I did buy a couple boxes of their ammo at River Junction. I have not recieved them yet. RJ is supposed to be carrying just the heeled bullets very soon also. This is what I know about the original Remington's and the original Conversions in .44CF. The Original 44 Remington were in actuality .451 bore converted to a 6 shot .44 cf (.451 Heeled, outside lubed)(some in .44RF, and .46 RF) cal cylinder (actually the cylinders, mostly, were the original cylinder with the nipple area machined off down to the pawl and another disc welded, or brazed on and then the chambers were drilled out to hold the .44 CF cartridge. Some were new made cylinders. There is enough meat between the chambers and the O.D. to allow for this.That is why the .44 is a six shot and I do believe the Kirst is a straight thru design. The originals that were converted to 45LC were a new 5 shot due to space between the chambers and the O.D. of the original cylinder controlled that. The last Original Rem, 1858 Conversion I owned was a factory conversion in 44 CF, 6 shot complete with the ejector. This particular pistol had been issued in the Civil War with inspector marks all over it. It was sent back to the factory (or the S & W factory) for conversion and was nickled at time of conversion. Numbers all matching including the grips. I'm sure it saw action on the frontier also. It looked just like Remingtons advertisements of their factory conversions. Wish now I hadn't sold it. Drats!