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Old April 7, 2009, 11:04 AM   #18
pendennis
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Even Google seems to have a problem with me...
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Here's my question, why does it seem almost exclusively black and white? Mind, I know that a lot of you reading this will take offense if I do not say as such; I am talking about the talking heads on tv, and stereotypical responses to news stories and general public discussions, on and offline. That said:

When it comes to gun control debate, why does it seem to boil down to Republican party-liners being the gun advocates, and Democrat party-liners toting the anti-gun stance? I searched online all weekend to find the middle and came up with very little. I found an interesting podcast that had an entire hour long show dedicated to discussing the liberal gun owner and they certainly weren't talking about me. They were talking about Democrats who finally shot a gun,enjoyed it, and that's where the connection ended for those liberals.
The gun debate is not a Republican v. Democrat issue. It's a conservative(modern) v. liberal (modern) debate. I'll use these terms in lieu of the classical liberal (Jeffersonian).

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Is there something wrong with defending the second amendment while calling for nationalized health care? Is there something wrong with arguing against the assault weapon ban, while simultaneously supporting the legalization of marijuana, and the decriminalization of all other drugs? Is it really that crazy for a non-smoker who HATES the smell of cigarettes finding it absurd to ban cigarettes from bars, and feels that the continuing increase of taxes is criminal? Is it really that disturbing that an atheist thinks that Christians should be allowed to have nativity sets, that if city hall wants to put the ten commandments on the front lawn then let them, that freedom of religious expression does not equal state sponsored religion? Is it impossible to legalize gay marriage and let the churches decide if they accept the unions? Can a man not stand up and say that, as a man, he does not have the right to even enter the abortion debate because, just as a white man cannot comprehend the racism a black man feels, a man cannot comprehend the concept of growing a human inside of their own body? Can you support the troops, but not the war?
You can't support nationalized (socialist/collectivist) health care if you believe in individual liberty. Social programs only spread misery, not enhance wealth for the poor or ill.

Conservatives have no issue with the legalization of marijuana, or most any other drug. However, conservatives know that legalization of drugs leads to dependency by users on those who don't do drugs. Drug users always end up putting a strain on the rest of society, because of their addictions. The addictions eventually cause the user to be a total burden on society. Practicing your freedom can't put cost or limits on others' freedom.

Conservatives view overt homosexuality as immoral, just as they view overt heterosexuality as immoral. Practice sexual preferences in the bedroom, not the public square. If two homosexuals want to enter into a contract for support and living purposes, then hire a lawyer, write a contract, sign it, and abide by its terms. Marriage has historically been the joining of man and woman for the purposes of procreation, not the disbursement of government-or private sector-paid benefits.

Abortion is a moral, not political issue. Conservatives seek to protect the weakest in our society. An unborn baby is the weakest, and has no vote in his/her further life. Abortion is a unilateral decision by the female. Excercise of one's rights can't impinge on those of another

Racism is immoral, whether black-on-white, white-on-black, etc. Since the majority of those on earth are Asian, does that not mean that Asians will be racist towards whites, but not vice versa?

The United States military, by law, has a unified command structure, from the lowest private/sailor/marine/airman, on up to the Commander-in-Chief. You can't support the private, and not support the CIC.

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I put in the New Member thread post that I was not a one issue voter. Yet I have (in my life, not just here) met exactly one other person who voted for Obama and wants to protect the 2nd Amendment. I'm not looking for validation, I am not looking for agreement. I am making this thread to ask any of you that these questions may apply to (to which your answers were"no"), why?

Why can't there, and isn't there, an allowance of deviating and conflicting beliefs and ideals? Do you think me naive? Are there atheist Republicans? Are there Constitutionalist Democrats? Are there libertarians who support nationalized health care?
Yes, you show some naivete in your logic. The modern liberal is not interested in living his life for his own good. He is interested in having everyone dependent on a "nanny government", because he doesn't believe that people can be prosperous without government control.

There are atheists of all political persuasions. Atheism is not the question. The question is a matter of morality v. immorality. Religion and morality don't always share the same path. For more on this, study the Reformation and the Inquisition.

No, we can't all just "get along". I refuse to compromise my beliefs for someone who wants to enslave me.

No, Libertarians do not support socialized health care.

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I don't fail to fit into a niche because it's cool. It's not, let me tell you; it's simply frustrating. When you can't find an ally anywhere, you're not cool. You're alone. I fail to fit into a niche because none of them entirely make sense to me, and I feel that in order to enter a niche you need to adhere to the code. None of the codes seem to make sense though. They're all about 50/50.
You can't get everyone to like you. You must take a stand, ignore those who don't like you because of it, and ally yourself only with those who believe as you do. Standing in the middle of the road only gets you killed. There are no degrees of conservatism. You are conservative, or you are liberal.

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So, in closing, is there any room for the odd man out? Is an oxymoron like a liberal constitutionalist acceptable? Do any of you differ from your party in any fashion, and are you vocal about it, and does it make you uncomfortable or angry that you have to defend your position?
No. The "odd man out" is a cop-out. The difference in conservatives and liberals is not one of politics. It's one of morality. Quite simply, those who are liberal are immoral, because they seek to enslave the individual, and use the power of immoral government to put power in the liberal's hands.

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Also, I am curious if anyone voted for Obama. I give him a 50% rating right now. I voted for him thinking that he would do us good. I'd have given him a 40% before his G20 and Europe trip. I'm not looking to find anyone in love with Obama, obviously we all fear for our gun rights; I am just trying to see if 1, anyone will admit to it, and 2, if you regret it. (I don't, I think if we're loud enough we can change his mind).
Obama is an immoral socialist. His statements about the United States being "arrogant" are the ulitmate in pandering to a group of nations in Europe who have warred with each other nearly constantly since the founding of western civilization in ancient Greece. The Europeans, including the British, are basket cases because of their socialistic governments. Yet they are unremittent in their criticism of the only country in the world which exports freedom.

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