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Socrates · July 24, 2007, 05:17 PM

Well, I've got a 375 H&H,

and, when I start looking at recoil figures, I'd rather have something with a 500 grain bullet, at 2150 fps. Low pressure 458 Lott load, or, high pressure 458 WinMag.

The muzzlebrake is done by Jack Huntington, makes the 375 feel like a 30-06, and, it's removeable.

The 375 is an excellent hunting round, but, brown bear have a real bad habit of soaking up a lot of 375 rounds before going down. Two big ones taken by guys from here both took 11 shots of 375 to finally be done. I don't like that.

375 H&H kicks enough as it is, I'd rather have the extra horsepower of the Lott. If you look at the recoil figures, the jump isn't enough to get me worried, recoil wise.

41 ft lbs in my 10 pound cz for 300 grains at about 2600 fps. 4504 fpe
60 ft lbs for 500 grains at 2150 fps.
5133 fpe. If fpe kills, then the 375 sure looks good, but,
the Lott is two steps up in killing power.

Sounds like a lott

, but, if you can shoot one, you can shoot the other.

Phil Shoemaker, a pretty famous Alaska bear guide/hunter has always carried a 458 winmag. This year he's trying the 375 Ruger, mainly because he's getting paid, but, it still should work.

Dr S

PS

What I'd really rather being shooting is a double 500 Nitro Express, with 570 grain soft points, at 2025 fps.

that's 5191 fpe with 57 ft lbs recoil, in a 12 pound double.

Or, for the BEST combination of power, light weight, and not so bad recoil, 10 pound double
450 Nitro express, based on a Pedroseli. This is Jack Huntingtons' rifle, and, he's shooting it. He blew up two jugs, 20 yards apart, in what was pretty near under a second. Sounded like one shot.

This is a 480 grain solid hitting, at 2150 fps.
60 ft lbs of recoil, and,, 4,828 fpe

Taylor KO values are
500 nitro: 84
450 nitro: 68
375 H&H: 42

Dr. S

That was fun, but, to really get down to brass tacks:
375 H&H made by CZ 550, and, I'd get the Euro stock if I could find one. Better wood.
Double the ammo price, but, next would be 458 Lott, and, you can fire 458 Winmag out of it as well, again, get the CZ 550 with the big mauser claw extractor, not a push feed.
Interarms Mark X's can also be found used in those calibers, or, if you find a 458 winmag, ammo isn't that bad, and, it's just fine for bears.
Heard great things about Savage accuracy, but, for a dangerous game rifle, I'd check and make sure it's got the claw, not push feed.

July 24, 2007, 05:17 PM	#16
Socrates Junior member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: East Bay NorCal, People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 5,866	Well, I've got a 375 H&H, and, when I start looking at recoil figures, I'd rather have something with a 500 grain bullet, at 2150 fps. Low pressure 458 Lott load, or, high pressure 458 WinMag. The muzzlebrake is done by Jack Huntington, makes the 375 feel like a 30-06, and, it's removeable. The 375 is an excellent hunting round, but, brown bear have a real bad habit of soaking up a lot of 375 rounds before going down. Two big ones taken by guys from here both took 11 shots of 375 to finally be done. I don't like that. 375 H&H kicks enough as it is, I'd rather have the extra horsepower of the Lott. If you look at the recoil figures, the jump isn't enough to get me worried, recoil wise. 41 ft lbs in my 10 pound cz for 300 grains at about 2600 fps. 4504 fpe 60 ft lbs for 500 grains at 2150 fps. 5133 fpe. If fpe kills, then the 375 sure looks good, but, the Lott is two steps up in killing power. Sounds like a lott, but, if you can shoot one, you can shoot the other. Phil Shoemaker, a pretty famous Alaska bear guide/hunter has always carried a 458 winmag. This year he's trying the 375 Ruger, mainly because he's getting paid, but, it still should work. Dr S PS What I'd really rather being shooting is a double 500 Nitro Express, with 570 grain soft points, at 2025 fps. that's 5191 fpe with 57 ft lbs recoil, in a 12 pound double. Or, for the BEST combination of power, light weight, and not so bad recoil, 10 pound double 450 Nitro express, based on a Pedroseli. This is Jack Huntingtons' rifle, and, he's shooting it. He blew up two jugs, 20 yards apart, in what was pretty near under a second. Sounded like one shot. This is a 480 grain solid hitting, at 2150 fps. 60 ft lbs of recoil, and,, 4,828 fpe Taylor KO values are 500 nitro: 84 450 nitro: 68 375 H&H: 42 Dr. S That was fun, but, to really get down to brass tacks: 375 H&H made by CZ 550, and, I'd get the Euro stock if I could find one. Better wood. Double the ammo price, but, next would be 458 Lott, and, you can fire 458 Winmag out of it as well, again, get the CZ 550 with the big mauser claw extractor, not a push feed. Interarms Mark X's can also be found used in those calibers, or, if you find a 458 winmag, ammo isn't that bad, and, it's just fine for bears. Heard great things about Savage accuracy, but, for a dangerous game rifle, I'd check and make sure it's got the claw, not push feed.