[biglabsrule]

lol nah thats not the way real men handle things like this.... We bitch and bitch in private, change brands and let it fluster us...

and the .410 wasnt anything to do with grunge, I know where you're comming from sugesting that, could be possible but I had bought that gun along with a new box of remmy ammo, first I thought the gun, a cheep rossi, was tighter than .410 resulting in the problem, but then I pulled out some older remington ammo and winchester ammo and they worked. I've talked to people that work there and they just say this: The managers have them keep the dies in longer than they should, when thousands of brass is punched out for the shotgunshells the dies wear down, hence slightly bigger than in this case .410 inch.... its a matter of not wanting to buy new dies as often...