thank you all for your replys. right now im looking at an indian pattern brown bess and a brown bess carbine also a bess ships carbine. bbl.s run from 24" to 39". Ill most likely get one from mvtc as he is just down the road from me and has an excellent rep. he also has some French muskets a nice 1777 carbine . but I kinda got my heart set on a bess type musket . again thanks TB9