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1SHOT1KILL · February 17, 2005, 11:31 AM

In any CVA, Traditions, or Winchester muzzleloading products, I would NEVER exceed 100 grains, loose or pellets, of any blackpowder substitue, like Pyrodex, BlacK Mag 3, American Powder, and especially Triple Seven. 3 pellet (150gr) loads in these muzzleloaders is a recipe for disaster, a ticking time bomb if you will. You may get by with it for one shot, a hunder shots, or even 500 shots, but sooner or later it will go KABOOM.

In one documented case, the attorney "details how a man purchased a new CVA .50 caliber inline, a package of 50 caliber / 50 grain Hodgdon brand Triple Seven propellant pellets, a package of Winchester brand W209 Primers and a CVA brand .50 caliber Complete Muzzleloading Accessory Outfit at a chain store according to the receipt. A short while later, one primer was fired per the instructions and then, to sight in the muzzleloader, loaded 3 of the 50 grain pellets, a .50 caliber “PowerBelt” 295 grain hollow point bullet with plastic “sabot” snap-on base and a W209 primer. He fired the muzzleloader and the barrel exploded. His wife was present at the scene of the accident. She transported him to the hospital ER. This man was in the emergency room within about two hours of his new purchase. Two surgeries have already been performed in an attempt to repair the damage to his hand as a result of the explosion. More are indicated."

The material they use in Spain to make these barrels out of, is either 1137 or 1140 steel and equivalent S/S. It has to be that soft in order to be utilized in the extrusion method of manufacturing that is used to make these barrels. Compared to the 4140 or 416 S/S, material that is used on many American made muzzlelaoders, these Spainish made muzzleloaders can be down right dangerous, in comparasion, if you start shooting so-called 150gr "magnum" charges in them. CVA, Traditions, and Winchester have in the past, recommended 150 grain "magnum" loads for their muzzleloaders. However, Hodgdon Powder recommends ONLY 100 grains.

Bottom line, keep your loads limited to 2 (50gr) pellets or 100 gr loose and you should be good to go and safe. If in the future you decide that you want to upgrade to magnum loads, then be all means upgrade muzzleloaders before you upgrade to those magnum loads.

February 17, 2005, 11:31 AM	#8
1SHOT1KILL Member Join Date: February 15, 2005 Posts: 15	In any CVA, Traditions, or Winchester muzzleloading products, I would NEVER exceed 100 grains, loose or pellets, of any blackpowder substitue, like Pyrodex, BlacK Mag 3, American Powder, and especially Triple Seven. 3 pellet (150gr) loads in these muzzleloaders is a recipe for disaster, a ticking time bomb if you will. You may get by with it for one shot, a hunder shots, or even 500 shots, but sooner or later it will go KABOOM. In one documented case, the attorney "details how a man purchased a new CVA .50 caliber inline, a package of 50 caliber / 50 grain Hodgdon brand Triple Seven propellant pellets, a package of Winchester brand W209 Primers and a CVA brand .50 caliber Complete Muzzleloading Accessory Outfit at a chain store according to the receipt. A short while later, one primer was fired per the instructions and then, to sight in the muzzleloader, loaded 3 of the 50 grain pellets, a .50 caliber “PowerBelt” 295 grain hollow point bullet with plastic “sabot” snap-on base and a W209 primer. He fired the muzzleloader and the barrel exploded. His wife was present at the scene of the accident. She transported him to the hospital ER. This man was in the emergency room within about two hours of his new purchase. Two surgeries have already been performed in an attempt to repair the damage to his hand as a result of the explosion. More are indicated." The material they use in Spain to make these barrels out of, is either 1137 or 1140 steel and equivalent S/S. It has to be that soft in order to be utilized in the extrusion method of manufacturing that is used to make these barrels. Compared to the 4140 or 416 S/S, material that is used on many American made muzzlelaoders, these Spainish made muzzleloaders can be down right dangerous, in comparasion, if you start shooting so-called 150gr "magnum" charges in them. CVA, Traditions, and Winchester have in the past, recommended 150 grain "magnum" loads for their muzzleloaders. However, Hodgdon Powder recommends ONLY 100 grains. Bottom line, keep your loads limited to 2 (50gr) pellets or 100 gr loose and you should be good to go and safe. If in the future you decide that you want to upgrade to magnum loads, then be all means upgrade muzzleloaders before you upgrade to those magnum loads.