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F. Guffey · February 26, 2013, 10:25 AM

February 11, 2013, 04:32 PM #1
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Surely what he means is if you squeeze the trigger then let off before you release the safety, it should not fire. In 25 years as a gunsmith instructor, every now and then I have to explain how typos, mis-spoken or confusing statements, poor wording, etc. can lead them astray. If something you read doesn't make sense, investigate it!

February 12, 2013, 01:29 PM #2
James K
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Posts: 15,705 I noticed that also and, like you, I am sure Mr. Coffield meant what you think he meant.

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“I am sure Mr. Coffield meant....etc..”

What would I have said? It is not possible to get the cock on close Mauser type 98 rifle into that configuration. Meaning, the safety has a cam, when the safety is set the safety moves the cocking piece to the rear and behind the trigger/sear, I could say look at it, or think about it but that has never worked in the past, so ‘again’ I will explain. With the cocking piece pushed off the trigger sear there is no way the trigger can be under a ‘load condition’. when the safety is set the safety is under the ‘load condition’ releasing the safety transfers the weight to the trigger sear.

“every now and then I have to explain how typos, misspoken or confusing statements, poor wording, etc..” There are two ways the Mauser M98 cock on close rifle can get into the configuration described in this thread: One, We all know the Mauser bolt can not be installed unless the bolt is cocked, when I install a Mauser bolt I raise/apply the safety, After installing the bolt I check to see if the safety is under a load condition, if the safety is loose I know the trigger is under a load condition, meaning if I pull the trigger the safety catches and supports the cocking piece. releasing the safety allows the rifle to fire.

The trigger/sear must be in a no load condition when the safety is set. Releasing the the safety will allow the cocking piece to move forward to set on the sear. When the safety is set, rotated, raised the safety must not be loose, when the safety is set the safety is supporting the cocking piece, if the safety is applied and loose pulling the trigger will release the cocking piece to set on the safety, releasing the safety will allow the rifle to fire if loaded.

Firing without pulling the trigger, a proud owner handed me a Mauser/all matching rifle, I was impressed, I informed him the rifle had a problem, back to all matching, I was told that could not be, because? I cocked the rifle, pushed the trigger forward and the firing pin fell, after turning the rifle upside down he was convinced he did not want to drop the rifle out of a tree and or bounce the butt off the payment especially if he decided on making the trigger pull lighter and or smoother.

Then the part Mr. Coffield described, the low safety, install the safety, assemble the bolt with the safety set, install the bolt, if after installing the bolt the safety is found to be loose the trigger will be under a load, pulling the trigger will release the cocking piece allowing the cocking piece to be supported by the safety only, again, releasing the safety will allow the firing pin to fall, if the rifle is loaded do not assume it will not fire.

Then there is the other problem, the safety can not be raised when the firing pin assemble is supported by the trigger/sear. I have access to 500+ safeties, for me it is a matter of locating a safety that allows the safetie’s cam to be in front of the cocking piece.

F. Guffey

February 26, 2013, 10:25 AM	#5
F. Guffey Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Posts: 7,249	February 11, 2013, 04:32 PM #1 oldgunsmith Member Join Date: January 9, 2013 Posts: 64 98 Low Scope Safety -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surely what he means is if you squeeze the trigger then let off before you release the safety, it should not fire. In 25 years as a gunsmith instructor, every now and then I have to explain how typos, mis-spoken or confusing statements, poor wording, etc. can lead them astray. If something you read doesn't make sense, investigate it! February 12, 2013, 01:29 PM #2 James K Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 15,705 I noticed that also and, like you, I am sure Mr. Coffield meant what you think he meant. Jim __________________ Jim K “I am sure Mr. Coffield meant....etc..” What would I have said? It is not possible to get the cock on close Mauser type 98 rifle into that configuration. Meaning, the safety has a cam, when the safety is set the safety moves the cocking piece to the rear and behind the trigger/sear, I could say look at it, or think about it but that has never worked in the past, so ‘again’ I will explain. With the cocking piece pushed off the trigger sear there is no way the trigger can be under a ‘load condition’. when the safety is set the safety is under the ‘load condition’ releasing the safety transfers the weight to the trigger sear. “every now and then I have to explain how typos, misspoken or confusing statements, poor wording, etc..” There are two ways the Mauser M98 cock on close rifle can get into the configuration described in this thread: One, We all know the Mauser bolt can not be installed unless the bolt is cocked, when I install a Mauser bolt I raise/apply the safety, After installing the bolt I check to see if the safety is under a load condition, if the safety is loose I know the trigger is under a load condition, meaning if I pull the trigger the safety catches and supports the cocking piece. releasing the safety allows the rifle to fire. The trigger/sear must be in a no load condition when the safety is set. Releasing the the safety will allow the cocking piece to move forward to set on the sear. When the safety is set, rotated, raised the safety must not be loose, when the safety is set the safety is supporting the cocking piece, if the safety is applied and loose pulling the trigger will release the cocking piece to set on the safety, releasing the safety will allow the rifle to fire if loaded. Firing without pulling the trigger, a proud owner handed me a Mauser/all matching rifle, I was impressed, I informed him the rifle had a problem, back to all matching, I was told that could not be, because? I cocked the rifle, pushed the trigger forward and the firing pin fell, after turning the rifle upside down he was convinced he did not want to drop the rifle out of a tree and or bounce the butt off the payment especially if he decided on making the trigger pull lighter and or smoother. Then the part Mr. Coffield described, the low safety, install the safety, assemble the bolt with the safety set, install the bolt, if after installing the bolt the safety is found to be loose the trigger will be under a load, pulling the trigger will release the cocking piece allowing the cocking piece to be supported by the safety only, again, releasing the safety will allow the firing pin to fall, if the rifle is loaded do not assume it will not fire. Then there is the other problem, the safety can not be raised when the firing pin assemble is supported by the trigger/sear. I have access to 500+ safeties, for me it is a matter of locating a safety that allows the safetie’s cam to be in front of the cocking piece. F. Guffey