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Old October 5, 2011, 02:29 PM   #66
Glenn E. Meyer
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Debating what rights are God Given, gets us off topic.

It is clear for this discussion, the interaction of the courts, states and Fed. government are more important that abstract opinions of what one poster thinks are immutable laws of liberty. It is clear that a social consensus, expressed through the mechanisms of the country is what is important.

So let's get back to that. How does current laws, courts, blah, blah, etc. speak to the issue.
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