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Clark · December 22, 2012, 01:32 PM

I have been trying to read everything Bart posts about rifle accuracy since May 1997* and have researched his prior posts.

Bart makes fun of guys that shot a good 5 shot group, cut it out, and carry it in their wallet. He calls that a "wallet group".

Bart, I treasure my wallet groups. I put them on the wall. I brag about them. I aspire to get more wallet groups. It is like remembering that time you went to Vagas and came home with MORE money.

This is a $60 Rem 510 with a $20 scope shooting Win Power Point 22LR ammo. Can you find the wallet group in the picture?

*Leafing through my copy of the May 1997 issue of Precision Shooting, I
encountered an ad for Krieger Barrels, Inc. that showed an actual-size
copy of a 20-shot group shot at 800 yards by "Bert Bobbit [sic] with
his Krieger Barrelled PALMA rifle." Now this group has a .942" mean
radius, with an extreme spread of 3.325. If it were a 5-shot group,
you'd say, "Somebody else has shot that well at 1,000 yards."

December 22, 2012, 01:32 PM	#13
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	I have been trying to read everything Bart posts about rifle accuracy since May 1997* and have researched his prior posts. Bart makes fun of guys that shot a good 5 shot group, cut it out, and carry it in their wallet. He calls that a "wallet group". Bart, I treasure my wallet groups. I put them on the wall. I brag about them. I aspire to get more wallet groups. It is like remembering that time you went to Vagas and came home with MORE money. This is a $60 Rem 510 with a $20 scope shooting Win Power Point 22LR ammo. Can you find the wallet group in the picture? *Leafing through my copy of the May 1997 issue of Precision Shooting, I encountered an ad for Krieger Barrels, Inc. that showed an actual-size copy of a 20-shot group shot at 800 yards by "Bert Bobbit [sic] with his Krieger Barrelled PALMA rifle." Now this group has a .942" mean radius, with an extreme spread of 3.325. If it were a 5-shot group, you'd say, "Somebody else has shot that well at 1,000 yards." __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?