Thanks for all of the opinions. As far as tacking these girls. It was in thick South Texas brush on a high populated/ animal traffic place. There are tracks everywhere with a ton of game trails through the mesquite so broken branches and disturbed grund make it impossible. When tracking them we would walk 25-50 yds apart and cirlce crossing paths looking for anythign that we could find. The first one may have very well been low since I was shooting from an eleavted blind. The second was the one that I found bone and everything, and there is no doubt about shot placement. the ultimate reason i posted was for information on the rounds, and thank you for what I have recieved. If anyone else has insight it is more than welcome.