Discuss this with a woman who was raped and the perp had no handgun. Debate loss for the liberals. Those are the kinds of statistics these conversations leave out. Also, those death rates include imminent self defense fatalities, which in my opinion is not a gun death at all. It's a Darwin one.
Lastly, if two drug dealers/violent crime offenders kill each other, do we really need to include those?
"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe."