I use 3.8gr with a 158gr SWC in my 38s and 357 for target and self defense loads. Alliant shows that load as a 38+p.
4.2gr in my 40 S&W loads with a 180 gr lead bullet.
4gr in my 9mm 124gr lead loads.
13gr with a 160gr gas checked lead bullet in my 30-06. I shoot water bottles at 100 yds with that load. Very accurate in my rifle.
Guess you could say that I really like Red Dot. I buy mine in the 8lb jugs.
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