People will believe what they want to believe.

The best I found for 9mm is about 500 ft-lbs. The best I found for .357 magnum is about 800 ft-lbs. If someone wants to beleve this is close in the real world, they will do so.

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.357 magnum is in a class separate from the typical service rounds as laid out by the 'Jello shooters'. 9mm, .357 Sig, .40 S&W, .45 acp all perform much the same (in the real world) with the right choice in ammunition.

9 mm:

Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)

Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)

Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)

Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)

Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP

Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP

Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)

Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)

Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)

Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)

Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)

Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)

Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)

Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP

Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)

Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

.40 S&W:

Barnes XPB 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)

Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP

Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)

Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)

Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)

Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)

Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)

Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)

Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP

Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)

Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (RA40B/Q4355/S40SWPDB1)

.45 ACP:

Barnes XPB 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)

Federal HST 230 gr JHP (P45HST2)

Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)

Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)

Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP

Speer Gold Dot 230 gr +P JHP

Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)

Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)

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