DavKul - I see in your signature that you are in Strongsville. Stonewall Range in Broadview Heights carries both guns you are looking for and I am fairly certain they have M&Ps you can rent to try out. Their prices are a tad high for purchases, but it is the best place around to rent guns from. Also, check out Fin,Feather & Fur in Middleburg Heights as their prices are usually right on track with Buds or other online retailers.
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