+ 1 on the 30-30 or even 357 lever gun . Maybe you guys can help me out here . It really seems like the only gun that would work well for both hunting and HD for under $500 . The price is whats holding things back here . There are plenty of choices out there for $600+ . Scout , AR 6.8 spc to name a few . The other issue I see is anything good enough to take down a dear will have over penetration problems in a HD situation .
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