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Old October 10, 2012, 11:55 AM   #42
Crow Hunter
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"The best rounds in .38 are not equal to the best rounds of 9mm"
I'll send a memo to Buffalo Bore and tell them you disagree with their data.
9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo - (+P+) 147 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1,175 fps/M.E. 451 ft. lbs.)
38 Special +P OUTDOORSMAN - 158 gr. Hard Cast Keith @ 1,250 fps 548 ft lbs
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^ I would have ignored the facts as well.
Sorry Jmortimer, I think you might be ignoring some of the facts yourself.

From BB Website:

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9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo - (+P+) 115 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1,400 fps/M.E. 500 ft.lbs.) - 20 Round Box

Item 24A/20 (+p+) 115gr. Jacketed Hollow Point

Browning Hi Power MK111, 4.6 inch barrel---------1426 fps
Beretta 92F, 4.9 inch barrel-----------------------------1402 fps
Glock 19, 4.0 inch barrel--------------------------------1389 fps

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38 SPL +P OUTDOORSMAN - 158 gr. Hard Cast Keith 1,250 fps - 20 Round Box

1255 fps -- Ruger GP 100, 6 inch barrel, 357 mag.
•1186 fps -- S&W Combat Masterpiece 6 inch barrel, 38 SPL (circa 1958)
•1146 fps -- S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel, 357 mag.
•1167 fps -- S&W Mod. 15, 4 inch barrel, 38 SPL (circa 1968)
•1112 fps -- Ruger SP 101, 3 inch barrel, 38 SPL
•1043 fps -- S&W Mod 66, 2.5 inch barrel, 357 mag.
• 989 fps -- S&W Mod 340PD, 1 & 7/8 inch barrel, 357 mag.
•1027 fps -- S&W Mod 642 (pre dash), 1 & 7/8 inch barrel, 38 SPL
Comparing a 6" bbl revolver muzzle energy to a 4"-5" barrel service auto is a little disigenious don't you think?

Rounds coming out of a G17L or some other 6" bbl automatic would be a better comparison, but since the only data we have that is comparable is the G19 and the S&W revolvers as provided by the BB website, both with 4" bbls.

Even rounding up 33 FPS (for the best performing 4" revolver) and giving 1,200 FPS out of the comparable 4" revolvers, you still only get 505.1 Ft/lbs of muzzle energy.

If you round up only 11 FPS and give the Glock 1,400 FPS you are sitting at 500 Ft/lbs of energy.

So at best, well within the standard deviation of both rounds.

However, if you did the calculation with the available data provided by Buffalo Bore themselves:

38 Special - 158gr @ 1167 = 478 Ft/Lbs
9mm -115gr @ 1389 = 493 Ft/Lbs

I don't think I would call that superior, do you?

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here is no 9mm +P+ or otherwise that compares to Buffalo Bore .38 Special Outdoorsman
Except BB's own 9mm +P+.....

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Sorry you were wrong on this point.
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