first one i found in a barn and resurrected it. told the folks at dillon, and they sent me all the needed parts for nothing. have since gone back for parts and accessories when needed for...the second one i bought on ebay for a song. the third one on another forum, again for a lot less than new. gave it to my son. the fourth one from a guy on craigslist, again for a song.
now i lusting after a 650. have tried the LNL AP and just don't like it. and nonbody beats dillon's customer service.