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Old August 30, 2012, 03:20 PM   #94
Frank Ettin
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Originally Posted by zukiphile
...the court doesn't adopt the standard you suggest .... That court found the POs to have reasonable suspicion. Simply observing a person legally engaging in open carry can't itself be reasonable suspicion.
Actually the court adopted essentially the same standard I did suggest. I didn't refer to merely legally openly carrying a gun. I wrote (post 67):
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Originally Posted by Frank Ettin
...if someone is seeking a confrontation and consciously acts in a way to provoke one, he really can't complain when he gets one....
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Originally Posted by zukiphile
...That begs the question "Why are they [police officers] expected to be armed?". The answer to that question is because it is routinely observed...
No, it is because we have assigned to the police certain responsibilities and have decided at some point that carrying out those responsibilities reasonably requires that they go about carrying firearms.

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Originally Posted by zukiphile
...that observation doesn't argue against the proposition that making an event routine tends to allow people to become more familiar with it and less alarmed by it.
Even that isn't always true. Consider many zoning ordinances. In many communities, the repeated appearance of people working on their cars in view of the street or parking RVs in view of the street, resulted in the adoption of land-use rules prohibiting such activities.
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