Well, at 30' the big ol' rascals shoot about 2-1/2" low. Not surprisingly, since they are only going about 800fps per Alliant data. They'll go through 3 jugs of water and stick in the dirt. But as expected, they look just like they did before, and it's not exciting at all to be just poking small holes in jugs. It don't even blow the top off the bottles.