bought a winchester defender
been looking at used hose " riot " type shotguns for a few weeks.
found a defender for $250 , got it for $220 . dont know how good of deal that is but it looks at least an 8.5 on a scale of 10. has green fiber optic front sight and a smooth action . not sure about the age either but it has not been hurt much.
maybe a tad lighter in weight than a remington 870 but around where i live the remington offering in same type gun often sells for $100 more and upward .
admittedly the remington is a great gun but i am happy with my purchase ... now got to get to the range in a few days