Yeah I don't think there's any point to push the gun(or me) for no reason. So should I start at 45grns and work up(in both commercial and military brass) from there? Also when I work the loads up do I still look for standard presure signs or(because the max load for IMR4895 is well above 50grns) should I stop at say 49grns? Don't get me wrong I will always be looking for things out of the norm like pressure signs etc. Basically I'm wondering at what point to stop?